L25 Classic VictoryFirst (Axis) vs. The_Good_Captain (Allies)


    • Russia Restricted
    • Tech from turn 4
    • No Industrial Complexes
    • No invasion of neutrals
    • Can place units in enemy sea zones.

  • @VictoryFirst sorry. last question. are we playing with industrial complexes then?


  • @The_Good_Captain

    Yes, unless all players in the League have agreed to play without them. But I think a change like that can only take place in a new League season (2026).


  • For the ratings of this year to make sense I think we should stick to the ruleset of the ongoing Classic tournament.


  • @VictoryFirst said in L25 Classic VictoryFirst (Axis+3) vs. The_Good_Captain (Allies):

    For the ratings of this year to make sense I think we should stick to the ruleset of the ongoing Classic tournament.

    Of course I am very happy you guys are playing a regular season league game already. I didn’t post my default league Classic rules yet, but I will now, in the main post of the Classic league discussion thread.

    It won’t be final, especially in the likely event th @The_Good_Captain points something out,

    BUT do not worry, you and your opponent in league can play whatever Classic rules you agree to, game by game. This is how the league works. The default is for when you don’t agree on something. So if one player wants Russian restricted attack, and the other doesn’t, but wants a bid to make up for it, then you will not be able to play until you agree. The fallback is the league default, which is Russian restricted attack.


  • So your thread is in the right place! Game on!


  • @gamerman01 Thanks!

    @The_Good_Captain In that case we can play without ICs. That means the necessary bid for a balanced game becomes zero?


  • @gamerman01 said in L25 Classic VictoryFirst (Axis+3) vs. The_Good_Captain (Allies):

    @VictoryFirst said in L25 Classic VictoryFirst (Axis+3) vs. The_Good_Captain (Allies):

    For the ratings of this year to make sense I think we should stick to the ruleset of the ongoing Classic tournament.

    Of course I am very happy you guys are playing a regular season league game already. I didn’t post my default league Classic rules yet, but I will now, in the main post of the Classic league discussion thread.

    Actually, I’ve put it in the overall 2025 league rules instead. Classic has made its entry to the League Rules, and so is very officially in the league.

    Way to go @elche , you brought me back to the roots


  • For the sake of clarity, we play with:

    • Russia Restricted
    • Tech from turn 4
    • No Industrial Complexes
    • No invasion of neutrals
    • Can place units in enemy sea zones.

  • @VictoryFirst I’m going to put that in the first post for you


  • @VictoryFirst said in L25 Classic VictoryFirst (Axis+3) vs. The_Good_Captain (Allies):

    For the sake of clarity, we play with:

    • Russia Restricted
    • Tech from turn 4
    • No Industrial Complexes
    • No invasion of neutrals
    • Can place units in enemy sea zones.

    I feel the game is balanced with the optional rules listed and requires no bid, yes


  • @VictoryFirst

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat - Russians
            Trigger Russians Can Move: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Russians
            Trigger Russians Can Move: Setting movementRestrictionType to disallowed for rulesAttachment attached to Russians
    
        Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 submarine and 1 transport moved from Karelia Sea Zone to North Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Persia
            3 infantry moved from Caucasus to Karelia S.S.R.
            2 armour, 1 fighter and 4 infantry moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 aaGun moved from Russia to Caucasus
            1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Yakut S.S.R.
            1 armour moved from Soviet Far East to Novosibirsk
            1 infantry moved from Evenki National Okrug to Novosibirsk
            1 infantry moved from Evenki National Okrug to Yakut S.S.R.
    
        Place Units - Russians
            8 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R.
    
        Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUs
    

    R1.tsvg


  • @The_Good_Captain said in L25 Classic VictoryFirst (Axis+3) vs. The_Good_Captain (Allies):https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/41542/l25-classic-victoryfirst-axis-3-vs-the_good_captain-allies/11#

    I feel the game is balanced with the optional rules listed and requires no bid, yes

    Great, in that case I will play without the +3. @gamerman01 Could you edit that for us? Thanks!

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  • TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 1

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            2 infantry moved from South Europe to Central Mediteranean Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Central Mediteranean Sea Zone to East Mediteranean Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from East Mediteranean Sea Zone to Anglo Sudan Egypt
            1 armour moved from Libya to French Equatorial Africa
                  Germans take French Equatorial Africa from British
            1 armour moved from French Equatorial Africa to Anglo Sudan Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Libya to Anglo Sudan Egypt
            1 submarine moved from West Spain Sea Zone to West Mediteranean Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Finland Norway to East Canada Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Germany to East Canada Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Anglo Sudan Egypt
            1 fighter moved from East Europe to East Mediteranean Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from West Europe to West Mediteranean Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Germany to West Mediteranean Sea Zone
    
        Combat - Germans
            Battle in East Mediteranean Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 fighter and 1 transport
                British defend with 1 submarine
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 fighter and 1 transport in East Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 submarine in East Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 battleship owned by the Germans lost in East Mediteranean Sea Zone
                    1 submarine owned by the British lost in East Mediteranean Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -16
                Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship
                Casualties for British: 1 submarine
            Battle in Anglo Sudan Egypt
                Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                British defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
                    1 infantry owned by the British and 1 armour owned by the British lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
                Germans win, taking Anglo Sudan Egypt from British with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 infantry
            Battle in East Canada Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 fighter
                British defend with 1 transport
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in East Canada Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 transport in East Canada Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in East Canada Sea Zone
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in East Canada Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 1 transport
            Battle in West Mediteranean Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 battleship
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in West Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 fighters in West Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship in West Mediteranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in West Mediteranean Sea Zone
                    1 battleship owned by the British lost in West Mediteranean Sea Zone
                Germans win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship
    
        Non Combat Move - Germans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from East Canada Sea Zone: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to West Europe: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            2 armour and 3 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to East Europe
            2 armour and 4 infantry moved from Germany to East Europe
            1 armour moved from South Europe to East Europe
            1 aaGun moved from South Europe to East Europe
            1 fighter moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Libya
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Libya
            1 fighter moved from East Mediteranean Sea Zone to East Europe
            1 fighter moved from West Mediteranean Sea Zone to East Europe
            1 fighter moved from West Mediteranean Sea Zone to West Europe
            1 armour moved from West Europe to East Europe
            2 infantry moved from Finland Norway to Baltic Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Baltic Sea Zone to East Europe
    
        Place Units - Germans
            10 infantry placed in Germany
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 35 PUs; end with 37 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans regular : 1,83
    British regular : 2,17
    

    Savegame


  • In East Canada Sea Zone I accidentally chose the fighter as a casualty, I meant to choose the bomber, sorry.


  • @VictoryFirst

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - British
            British buy 3 transports; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - British
            1 fighter moved from India to Anglo Sudan Egypt
            2 infantry moved from India to Indian Ocean Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Indian Ocean Sea Zone to Red Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Red Sea Zone to Anglo Sudan Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Syria Jordan to Anglo Sudan Egypt
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Anglo Sudan Egypt
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from North Sea Zone to Finland Norway
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Baltic Sea Zone
    
        Combat - British
            Battle in Baltic Sea Zone
                British attack with 2 fighters
                Germans defend with 1 submarine and 1 transport
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters in Baltic Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Germans and 1 transport owned by the Germans lost in Baltic Sea Zone
                British win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine and 1 transport
            Battle in Anglo Sudan Egypt
                British attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 armour and 2 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    2 infantry owned by the British lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
                    2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
                    British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt
                British win, taking Anglo Sudan Egypt from Germans with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 2 infantry
            Battle in Finland Norway
                British attack with 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship in Finland Norway, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Finland Norway, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Finland Norway, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Finland Norway
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Finland Norway, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Finland Norway, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Finland Norway, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Finland Norway, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Finland Norway, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Finland Norway, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Finland Norway, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Finland Norway, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Finland Norway, round 7 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Finland Norway, round 7 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Finland Norway
                British win, taking Finland Norway from Germans with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 1 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Kenya-Rhodesia
            1 infantry moved from South Africa to Kenya-Rhodesia
            1 armour moved from East Canada to West Canada
            2 fighters moved from Baltic Sea Zone to Karelia S.S.R.
    
        Place Units - British
            3 transports placed in North Sea Zone
    
        Turn Complete - British
            British collect 31 PUs; end with 37 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans regular : -1.83
    British regular : 1.33
    

    UK1.tsvg

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