Is J3 Smart?

Thanks Panther

@VictoryFirst hmm … maybe i shouldn’t have asked that question out loud

lol

@FranceNeedsMorePower

Hmm. This has a small section on what ANZAC does: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/35286/warfare-principles-of-axis-allies-by-andrewaagamer?page=1

But yeah, ANZAC usually just defaults to being extra troops for the US or UK.

I guess the good thing is that Australia is very far from Japan, so if the IJN is busy fighting the US Navy (or beating up India), you might be able to independently contest the Dutch East Indies or your National Objective islands (particularly the Solomons). It’s all very situational though.

One possibility would be to use the Egypt units to take Persia or Iraq, build a minor industrial complex there, then start building up a land army to operate in Southeast Asia, the Soviet Union, or North Africa, wherever it’s needed most urgently.

I guess my best advice would be: Follow what the US and UK do and coordinate accordingly. The turn order means that the either power can can-open for you if given the chance.

@shadowhawk

Yeah, I definitely didn’t think of things that way. Mostly the AAA just stays in the US the whole time. I’ll give it a try.

@fasthard thanks heaps for that!!!

@simon33
Nice suggestion about stopping the early crush. I think this should work!

I really wanted to do the J3–take India & not have to worry about anything coming from there again, to be the proverbial—thorn in my side (thats what my original post for help with the J3 Crush thing was all about.  Then wanted to take DEI & start pushing the Anzac’s & US on my terms.  Not fighting this attrition battle & running for defense from behind with the Allies on the offense & pushing me.

This is where I thought this was heading with this sort of offense from Japan–take out the Chinese & UK fronts while the US was out of it & the Anzac hadn’t had time or resources to do much, then only fight on my terms w/ the US & Anzac on two Pacific fronts & maybe chip away @ the Russians if I wanted to help germany a little?

The way this has turned out, however, is by J2 I am now @ war w/all allies & have 5-fronts to still to deal with & fighting a war of attrition & defense.  Seems like the same ole Axis games where the Axis are always fighting a war of attrition & on defense.  I know this is the way it was in history, but I was hoping for a little different w/ a new game thats suppose to be slanted towards the Axis anyway, new rules that have been reworked 3-4 times & some killer new strategies that I hadn’t tried before?

I’m just a novice that has been playing this game on & off, mostly off, for the past 25 years–so I haven’t had the dedicated time to work up alot of these 3-4-5 move strategies like some of the dedicated Veterans here.  So I guess forgive my poor applications of some of these strategies, they all seem good & I’m sure work w/ the right set of circumstances & responses.  I guess I’ll just have to play more to practice more.

Boy, wont my wife like that one  :x  But I know my Kids & I will.  Thanx again all for help & posts & keep them coming.  :-)

rmcbride, replies below are in red….

@rmcbride:

@variance:

This is what people usually mean when they say “J3 India crush”:

J1 build 3 transports. �Take Chahar, Anhwe, Hunan, Yunnan. �Land all planes in Kwangsi and all fleet in z36 with transports loaded. �Leave FIC alone for now.

J2 Declare war on all Allies. �Build airbase and naval base in Kwangsi. Sink destroyer in z37 and any other ships that could attack z36 or block transports route from z36 to z39. �Dump 3 transports and 2 Siam guys on Shan State. �Airstrike Burma or Malaya if necessary to stop any attack on shan. �Put fleet in z38 and 3 loaded transports in z36.

J3 take India and land planes in shan state. �

(or you could do what Spendo said and starve them while you walk down thru china)
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Hey Variance, I respect your play alot as I’ve read these threads & thanks for answering this one, so I would love to try this scenario also but have a few Q’s for you if you could expand on this––You were very detailed in your steps for this, so I’d like to be as detailed in my Q’s that this has prompted as well   :-)

J1) 1)–when you say “land all planes in Kwansi”, I’m counting, for just land based units Japan starts with;8-fghtrs, 5-Tac’s & 2-Bombers. So these planes only or are you also talking about CV based fightrs as well?
Land each and every plane you have in Kwangsi, except the 1 fighter from Korea that will land on a carrier next to Kwangsi. So that’s 10 fighters, 8 tacs, and 2 bombers, plus 1 fighter on the carrier.  The reason you put all your planes in Kwangsi is so you can airstrike Burma if they stack it.

2)–all fleet in sz36;  do you mean EVERY available Sea unit?  & what about the units in sz33, as they obviously can’t make it on J1, as well as that would leave Caroline Island & its resources open to US invasion on US1?
Each and every ship.  The ships in z33 can go through z35 because you are not yet at war with USA.

3-transports loaded; I only count 3-trnsprts that Japan starts w/on the board; 1-sz6, 1-sz19 & 1-sz20.  So if I’m taking all my eastern China units to take out the 4-China territories you listed (that leaves the trns in sz20 w/o available units). So are you talking about just he one in sz6 or are you also loading the one from sz19 w/ units from Manchuria or Korea, which would make only 2 w/4-inf?  
Bring 3 infantry, 2 artillery, 1 tank from Manchuria, Shantung, Japan.  Move everything else to Anhwe/Jehol

J2) 1)–DOW on Allies—thats a Big One!  The US is definitely gonna come a runnin  :?     Which would beg the question–with all that loot now, what are the Germans & Italians gonna do to divert the Pacific attention  away from the US so the Japs can grab the Victory cities before US gets to big in the Pacific, since I presume that w/ the “Crush India” strategy, thats what this is about?
G1 naval build for sealion threat

2)–build Air & Naval in Kwangsi; I’m guessing that you have no fear of Kwangtung walking in w/one or 2 inf to Kwangsi to capture the unprotected Air & Naval just placed for a one round disruption of the plan (because then Hong Kong could just be taken on the next round anyway, Right?   & speaking of HK, when or what is the plan there?
You have plenty of ground coming down from Anhwe

3)–when you say "sink DD in sz37 & othr ships that could attack sz36; the sz37 is actually a BB–but ok.  Then there’s the US-DD & SS in sz35, are you just diverting 1-DD from the sz36 for the SS detection & then hitting them w/CV fighters for the wipe out?  & is this coming from the 1-CV from sz33 or what is your thinking there?
By J2 the BB will be long gone and they will put the destroyer blocker there 99% of the time to save India for another turn

4)–dumping 3-trns & Siam inf on Shan State; I presume those are the trans that were w/ the fleet from J1 (although I only had a possible count of 2-per my previous assessment, unless I misunderstood) & their going into sz38 to unload w/ the balance of the fleet?   Then the 3-loaded trns to be in sz36 were the ones purchased during J1, coming from sz6?
yes.

J3 1)–take India & land planes in Shan State;  Got that one!    
So now w/ India out of the picture, w/ maybe another round of clean-up, is the strategy to take out China’s threat entirely or just keep them @ bay while you start gearing up for the US & ANZAC?  Because by my count, including Hong Kong, you should have 4-Victory cities, 5-soon counting Manila.  But the US fleet should be well on their way, if not already there.  So 1-more VC to get, but is it going to be Sydney or Honolulu?  Seems like the way it should play out is that Sydney would be the more unprotected, but I don’t know?  After J3 & since you hadn’t discussed the DEI, that they’ll be trying to acquire for more IPC & to help the UK, that 6th VC could be a pretty hard get???  But after J3, who wants the game to end that quickly anyway   8-)
Hawaii is a much better target than Sydney.  Take Midway and try to get USA stuck in an arms race by building carriers for all your planes.  That way they cant be much help in Europe and without India Germany will have a MUCH easier time getting Cairo after Moscow, IF the Italians are still afloat.  Notice how on J3 you might not actually have to move carriers to z39 if the Brits navy have fled.  Like others pointed out, it is very important that you keep the pathway from z36 to z39 open for the transports, and you make sure you can’t lose Shan, which is why you airstrike Burma if they stack it.

Should be a fun play!!!  So if you could please refine the above Q’s with some further detail, that would be great!   I’m all about playing & figuring it out, but with someone else’s idea of a whole new strategy, I don’t want to screw it up 2-3 times just trying to get to the way it should have been played for the 1st 3-4 rounds, after that–-its anybody’s game anyway based on the counter moves & how the dice fell :roll:     So thanx again, look forward to the follow-up.

For more and better info about the j3 india crush scenario, look up old posts by CMDR Jennifer.  Good luck with it

to Bodeacious:

In strategy B the philipines will be a target in J3. Most US-Players evacuate the plane from the Phillipine Islands.

to Bodeacious/Blitchga:

said before: Do not leave you transport undefended at the coast of French-Indo-China!

BB+CA+DD+DD+SS+SS+CV(2 Planes) is the minimum of ships you have to leave in the Sae zone to prevent an UK first strike.