L23 BM4 MrRoboto(Axis) vs Avner (Allies+15) Game 2

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Game History

Round: 18

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Crete to 99 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Caucasus
        2 fighters moved from 95 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Egypt
        Battle in 112 Sea Zone
            Germans loiter and taunt; Italians attack with 2 fighters
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
            Italians win, taking Egypt from British with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Italians: 1 fighter
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Caucasus
            Italians attack with 1 bomber and 1 fighter
            British defend with 1 infantry
            Italians win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Volgograd
        1 bomber moved from Caucasus to Yugoslavia
        1 carrier moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 99 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy

    Place Units - Italians
        1 transport placed in 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 13 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs
        Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 24 PUs

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Game History

Round: 19

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 6 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 10 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        21 armour moved from Volgograd to Novosibirsk
        1 armour moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
              Germans take Caucasus from Russians
              Germans take Northwest Persia from British
        2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 5 submarines and 4 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries moved from Denmark to 112 Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from Denmark to 112 Sea Zone
        4 artilleries, 2 carriers, 4 fighters, 4 infantry, 5 submarines and 4 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        4 artilleries, 4 fighters and 4 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
        6 fighters and 8 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
        1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 110 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 2 carriers, 6 submarines and 4 transports
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 6 submarines in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 carriers and 4 transports in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/0 hits, 0,00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 6 submarines in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 2 carriers, 6 submarines and 4 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Novosibirsk
            Germans attack with 21 armour
            Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 14 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 21 armour in Novosibirsk, round 2 : 8/21 hits, 10,50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 aaGun and 14 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 : 5/14 hits, 4,67 expected hits
                5 armour owned by the Germans lost in Novosibirsk
                7 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 aaGun owned by the Russians lost in Novosibirsk
                Germans roll dice for 16 armour in Novosibirsk, round 3 : 8/16 hits, 8,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 7 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 3 : 4/7 hits, 2,33 expected hits
                4 armour owned by the Germans lost in Novosibirsk
                7 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Novosibirsk
            Germans win, taking Novosibirsk from Russians with 12 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
            Casualties for Germans: 9 armour
            Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun and 14 infantry
        Battle in United Kingdom
            Germans attack with 4 artilleries, 10 fighters, 4 infantry and 8 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 15 infantry
                British roll AA dice in United Kingdom : 2/9 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                2 fighters owned by the Germans lost in United Kingdom
                Germans roll dice for 4 artilleries, 8 fighters, 4 infantry and 8 tactical_bombers in United Kingdom, round 2 : 7/24 hits, 12,00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 3 aaGuns and 15 infantry in United Kingdom, round 2 : 3/15 hits, 5,00 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in United Kingdom
                3 aaGuns owned by the British and 4 infantry owned by the British lost in United Kingdom
                Germans roll dice for 4 artilleries, 8 fighters, 1 infantry and 8 tactical_bombers in United Kingdom, round 3 : 12/21 hits, 11,00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 11 infantry in United Kingdom, round 3 : 4/11 hits, 3,67 expected hits
                3 artilleries owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in United Kingdom
                11 infantry owned by the British lost in United Kingdom
            Germans captures 30PUs while taking British capital
            Germans converts factory_major into different units
            Germans win, taking United Kingdom from British with 1 artillery, 8 fighters and 8 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
            Casualties for Germans: 3 artilleries, 2 fighters and 4 infantry
            Casualties for British: 3 aaGuns and 15 infantry
        triggerBritishDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to British
        Trigger Germans Conquer London: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_Axis_Capture_London_Switch attached to Germans

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        6 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany
        3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
        3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from France to Western Germany
        8 fighters and 8 tactical_bombers moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
        3 aaGuns and 4 infantry moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland
        3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine

    Place Units - Germans
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 110 Sea Zone
        1 fighter placed in Western Germany
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Volgograd
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
        4 artilleries and 6 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 62 PUs; end with 92 PUs
        Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 97 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 99 PUs
        Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 101 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 106 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 111 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

British AA : 0,50
Russians regular : 2,00
Germans regular : -8,50
British regular : -2,33

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Scramble?

Thanks for the game!

One advice I can give you:

Don’t build so many destroyers.
They serve 2 purposes: Blocking fleets and detecting subs.

So you need to have enough destroyers to have a blocker when needed and to always be able to detect subs.

Ideally, the big navy stack of Japan/USA should have no more than a single destroyer.

Subs are better at everything else.

I once calculated the optimal fleet composition, a long time ago. You should have around 5 subs for every full carrier.
So for example a fleet could look like this:

1 destroyer
15 submarines
3 carriers
6 fighters
Cost: 206 TUV
Offensive Power: 50
Defensive Power: 47
Hitpoints: 28
Cost: 206

Consider the alternative with only destroyers instead of subs:

12 destroyers
3 carriers
6 fighters
Cost: 204 TUV
Offensive Power: 42
Defensive Power: 48
Hitpoints: 24
Cost: 204

You can already see that the destroyer setup has far less offensive power (1 1/3 hits in one round on average!). There’s no debate at all that the subs are leagues ahead when attacking.
And defensively they are almost the same, while having 4 more hitpoints - so even defensively the subs outperform the destroyer.

Consider the same setup in a fight against an equally strong navy. Let’s say the fleets suffer 10 hits in the first round. how does it look like in the 2nd round?

Sub-setup:

1 destroyer
3 damaged carriers
8 submarines
6 fighters
Defensive power: 40
Remaining Hitpoints: 18

Destroyer-setup:

5 destroyers
3 damaged carriers
6 fighters
Defensive power: 40
Remaining Hitpoints: 14

Let’s speculate that both fleets suffer another 8 hits in the next round:

Sub-Setup
1 destroyer
3 damaged carriers
6 fighters
Defensive power: 32
Remaining hitpoints: 10

Destroyer setup:

6 fighters
Defensive power: 24
Remaining hitpoints: 6

I hope you see that submarines are better in every regard than destroyers. And I didn’t even mention convoy!

Well maybe there are various schools of thought, but the math doesn’t change ;-)

Subs are superior in defense as well, as long as you have fighters and carriers with them…