L23 BM4 MrRoboto(Axis) vs Avner (Allies+15) Game 2

[MrRoboto]

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Game History

Round: 18

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Crete to 99 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Caucasus
        2 fighters moved from 95 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Egypt
        Battle in 112 Sea Zone
            Germans loiter and taunt; Italians attack with 2 fighters
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
            Italians win, taking Egypt from British with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Italians: 1 fighter
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Caucasus
            Italians attack with 1 bomber and 1 fighter
            British defend with 1 infantry
            Italians win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Volgograd
        1 bomber moved from Caucasus to Yugoslavia
        1 carrier moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 99 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy

    Place Units - Italians
        1 transport placed in 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 13 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs
        Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 24 PUs

[Avner]

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[MrRoboto]

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Game History

Round: 19

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 6 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 10 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        21 armour moved from Volgograd to Novosibirsk
        1 armour moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
              Germans take Caucasus from Russians
              Germans take Northwest Persia from British
        2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 5 submarines and 4 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries moved from Denmark to 112 Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from Denmark to 112 Sea Zone
        4 artilleries, 2 carriers, 4 fighters, 4 infantry, 5 submarines and 4 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        4 artilleries, 4 fighters and 4 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
        6 fighters and 8 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
        1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 110 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 2 carriers, 6 submarines and 4 transports
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 6 submarines in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 carriers and 4 transports in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/0 hits, 0,00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 6 submarines in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 2 carriers, 6 submarines and 4 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Novosibirsk
            Germans attack with 21 armour
            Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 14 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 21 armour in Novosibirsk, round 2 : 8/21 hits, 10,50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 aaGun and 14 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 2 : 5/14 hits, 4,67 expected hits
                5 armour owned by the Germans lost in Novosibirsk
                7 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 aaGun owned by the Russians lost in Novosibirsk
                Germans roll dice for 16 armour in Novosibirsk, round 3 : 8/16 hits, 8,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 7 infantry in Novosibirsk, round 3 : 4/7 hits, 2,33 expected hits
                4 armour owned by the Germans lost in Novosibirsk
                7 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Novosibirsk
            Germans win, taking Novosibirsk from Russians with 12 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
            Casualties for Germans: 9 armour
            Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun and 14 infantry
        Battle in United Kingdom
            Germans attack with 4 artilleries, 10 fighters, 4 infantry and 8 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 15 infantry
                British roll AA dice in United Kingdom : 2/9 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                2 fighters owned by the Germans lost in United Kingdom
                Germans roll dice for 4 artilleries, 8 fighters, 4 infantry and 8 tactical_bombers in United Kingdom, round 2 : 7/24 hits, 12,00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 3 aaGuns and 15 infantry in United Kingdom, round 2 : 3/15 hits, 5,00 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in United Kingdom
                3 aaGuns owned by the British and 4 infantry owned by the British lost in United Kingdom
                Germans roll dice for 4 artilleries, 8 fighters, 1 infantry and 8 tactical_bombers in United Kingdom, round 3 : 12/21 hits, 11,00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 11 infantry in United Kingdom, round 3 : 4/11 hits, 3,67 expected hits
                3 artilleries owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in United Kingdom
                11 infantry owned by the British lost in United Kingdom
            Germans captures 30PUs while taking British capital
            Germans converts factory_major into different units
            Germans win, taking United Kingdom from British with 1 artillery, 8 fighters and 8 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
            Casualties for Germans: 3 artilleries, 2 fighters and 4 infantry
            Casualties for British: 3 aaGuns and 15 infantry
        triggerBritishDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to British
        Trigger Germans Conquer London: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_Axis_Capture_London_Switch attached to Germans

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        6 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany
        3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
        3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from France to Western Germany
        8 fighters and 8 tactical_bombers moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
        3 aaGuns and 4 infantry moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland
        3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine

    Place Units - Germans
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 110 Sea Zone
        1 fighter placed in Western Germany
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Volgograd
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
        4 artilleries and 6 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 62 PUs; end with 92 PUs
        Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 97 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 99 PUs
        Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 101 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 106 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 111 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

British AA : 0,50
Russians regular : 2,00
Germans regular : -8,50
British regular : -2,33

[Avner]

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[MrRoboto]

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Scramble?

[Avner]

I would say it’s not necessary

I allowed Japan to be too strong (a mistake I often make).

Furthermore, the Russians were poorly positioned in the last rounds.

Patience, I hope at least I have caused you some difficulty

;)

[MrRoboto]

Thanks for the game!

[MrRoboto]

One advice I can give you:

Don’t build so many destroyers.
They serve 2 purposes: Blocking fleets and detecting subs.

So you need to have enough destroyers to have a blocker when needed and to always be able to detect subs.

Ideally, the big navy stack of Japan/USA should have no more than a single destroyer.

Subs are better at everything else.

I once calculated the optimal fleet composition, a long time ago. You should have around 5 subs for every full carrier.
So for example a fleet could look like this:

1 destroyer
15 submarines
3 carriers
6 fighters
Cost: 206 TUV
Offensive Power: 50
Defensive Power: 47
Hitpoints: 28
Cost: 206

Consider the alternative with only destroyers instead of subs:

12 destroyers
3 carriers
6 fighters
Cost: 204 TUV
Offensive Power: 42
Defensive Power: 48
Hitpoints: 24
Cost: 204

You can already see that the destroyer setup has far less offensive power (1 1/3 hits in one round on average!). There’s no debate at all that the subs are leagues ahead when attacking.
And defensively they are almost the same, while having 4 more hitpoints - so even defensively the subs outperform the destroyer.

Consider the same setup in a fight against an equally strong navy. Let’s say the fleets suffer 10 hits in the first round. how does it look like in the 2nd round?

Sub-setup:

1 destroyer
3 damaged carriers
8 submarines
6 fighters
Defensive power: 40
Remaining Hitpoints: 18

Destroyer-setup:

5 destroyers
3 damaged carriers
6 fighters
Defensive power: 40
Remaining Hitpoints: 14

Let’s speculate that both fleets suffer another 8 hits in the next round:

Sub-Setup
1 destroyer
3 damaged carriers
6 fighters
Defensive power: 32
Remaining hitpoints: 10

Destroyer setup:

6 fighters
Defensive power: 24
Remaining hitpoints: 6

I hope you see that submarines are better in every regard than destroyers. And I didn’t even mention convoy!

[Avner]

@MrRoboto

Thank you for this strategic and tactical idea.

There are various schools of thought, those who say never to buy submarines but better DDs who still defend with 2… etc…

However, each game is a story in itself… :)

[MrRoboto]

Well maybe there are various schools of thought, but the math doesn’t change ;-)

Subs are superior in defense as well, as long as you have fighters and carriers with them…