Sub surprise strike and submerge sequence

@RYNO87 said in Particular Combat movements for Subs and Planes:

Let’s say a sea unit retreats in their combat move from 1 hostile SZ into another hostile SZ with less enemies, does combat have to commence?

Combat will result in any case in which units from opposing sides are in the same space during the Combat phase, regardless of how they got there.

@RYNO87 Yes it does. They fire at the same time (rulebook pages 15/16):

“Attacking and defending units in each space are considered to fire at the same time, but for ease of play you roll dice in
sequence: attacker first, then defender.”

“Surprise Strike: Each attacking submarine conducting a Surprise Strike rolls one die, scoring a hit on a roll of “2” or less.
After the attacker has rolled for all attacking submarines, the defender chooses one sea unit for each hit scored and moves it behind the casualty strip. (Submarines cannot hit air units.) Then each defending submarine conducting a Surprise Strike rolls one die, scoring a hit on a roll of “1.” After the defender has rolled for all defending submarines, the attacker chooses one sea unit for each hit scored and removes it from play.” …

Wait? This means I might actually be playing and interpreting a rule CORRECTLY???

I’m sorry, this is a foreign experience….

Ok. Back from cloud 9.

Thank you guys all for assisting me in grasping this.
I’ll be back im sure with more questions.

We have all misinterpreted the rules. Just means the next game will be different, which is fine.
Keep having fun.

Hi Grumphry.
No. If a Sub’s target survives, it can always retaliate.
Submerging is instead of attacking or defending. A Sub cannot attack and submerge in he same round.
It is always worth attacking a lone Carrier with Fighters on board, if the Fighters do not have a safe place to land, as they will go down with the Carrier. The lesson is: always keep a Destroyer with your fleet, if the enemy has a Sub in range.

@Private:

And just to clarify yet further - the sub is not flying either! :-D

You obviously didn’t roll as well as I did during the Research phase…

@Chiclet:

How does it make logical sense that a transport may pass through a seazone by itself unharmed with an enemy sub in that seazone, but that transport cannot ignore a sub when attempting to do an amphib assault by itself?? to me it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense

I don’t know what the exact reasoning behind the rule itself is, but in terms of the real world it does make a certain mount of logical sense.  When a transport ship is travelling across the ocean, in potentially hostile waters, it’s trying as much as possible to avoid being found by an enemy sub.  It keeps radio silence, it maintains a blackout a night, and it makes frequent course changes.  It also helps that it has a whole ocean to lose itself in, though of course this factor is partially neutralized by the fact that the further a ship strays from the known shipping lanes the longer it takes to reach its destination.  By contrast, an amphibious landing – by its very nature – involves attacking a fixed point (whose location immediately becomes known to the enemy when the attacking ships show up and open fire) and maintaining a relatively static position off the shore of that point, which makes it easy for any enemy subs in the area to converge on that position.

@The11HP20:

A torpedo hitting a WWII sub means you now have two halves of a sub. I was in the Army so I might have this next part wrong. I believe half a sub has something less than a 1-in-6 chance of a successful counter attack. I’m basing this assumption off the fact the crew would be a little smaller and the handling characteristics of each half would be somewhat reduced. Especially the fore section.

A WWII submarine broken into two half-submarines would have promptly translated into two (or more) pieces of flooded, corpse-filled wreckage sitting at the bottom of the ocean.  I’d be astonished if a modern sub could keep operating (or even stay afloat) after something as drastic as breaking in two, let alone a WWII sub.  Though a modern sub might have a better chance to survive a torpedo hit, depending on various factors – provided the warhead wasn’t a nuke, obviously.