[1941] Technology also possible?

@sniffemonster The First edition of the Classic version had the Commander in Chief Rules, any Allied nation could combine together with another Nation to Attack together- that Rule was done away with in the 2nd edition Classic version!!!

Hey, this looks very interesting, BUT I think the Allies stand little chance since the UK cannot put any units on the table in time. They start first, granted that, but having to build an IC first will just spell disaster on India. Japan has 5 transports, 10 units in total, and using all their fighters, India should fall turn 2 or 3.

But I will gladly try this one out and maybe I will be proven wrong!

A re-post of some thoughts I had on adding Arty to 1941:

While I’m no expert, if I were going to add artillery units from 40 or 42 to my copy of 41, this is how I would do it.

First, use the pieces and rules from 42. Here are the stats for artillery:
@Axis:

Artillery
Cost 4
Attack 2*
Defense 2
Move 1

Supports Infantry: When an infantry attacks along with an artillery, the infantry’s attack increases to 2. Each infantry must be matched one-for-one with a supporting artillery unit. Artillery does not support infantry on defense.

Also, note in the rules section for infantry:
@Axis:

Infantry
Cost 3
Attack 1 (2 when supported by artillery)*
Defense 2
Move 1

Supported by Artillery: When an infantry attacks along with an artillery, the infantry’s attack increases to 2. Each infantry must be matched one-for-one with a supporting artillery unit. If your infantry outnumber your artillery, the excess infantry units still have an attack of 1. For example, if you attack with two artillery and five infantry, two of your infantry have an attack of 2 and the rest have an attack of 1. Infantry are not supported by artillery on defense.

Finally, I would change the initial setup for 1941 to reflect the presence of artillery in armies already on the board. I would think that changing every 3rd infantry in a territory to artillery would be a decent start. If I did that, I would change the setup in some territories and leave the rest alone. The changed territories would reflect the following setup:

Russia: 4 infantry, 2 artillery, 1 tank, 1 fighter*
Archangel: 2 infantry, 1 artillery
Karelia: 2 infantry, 1 artillery
Caucasus: 2 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 tank
Siberia: 2 infantry, 1 artillery

Germany: 2 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 bomber
Eastern Europe: 3 infantry, 1 artillery, 2 tanks
Ukraine: 2 infantry, 1 artillery, 2 tanks
West Russia: 2 infantry, 1 artillery

Japan: 3 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 tank, 1 fighter, 1 bomber

*Note that according to the FAQ put out after the game released, the territory labeled Russia should start with six infantry. If you haven’t read this FAQ, you should, as it made other changes to the setup of the board. If you swap every third infantry for an artillery, you would get four infantry and two artillery, as shown above.

Also, this would mean that neither the UK nor the US would start with any artillery as their regular setup have no territories with three or more infantry. Either shrug your shoulders or change their setup as you feel appropriate, perhaps as follows:

India: 1 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 fighter
Eastern U.S.: 1 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 tank, 1 fighter, 1 bomber

The above changes should integrate artillery into a game of 1941 fairly well. The Axis would swap 5 infantry for 5 artillery and the Allies would swap 6 or 8 (with optional UK and US artillery swapping) infantry for 6 or 8 (with optional UK and US artillery swapping) artillery for the setup of the game.

My 2:gg:

-M_R

P.S. The FAQ for Axis & Allies 1941 can be found here: www.wizards.com/AvalonHill/rules/AA_1941_FAQ.pdf

P.P.S. Edits: Credit where credit is due.

Source: boardgamegeek.com/article/22682014#22682014

-Midnight_Reaper

You can definitely merge the units together either way by buying both games… as previously mentioned, 1942SE has more unit types than 1941 (specifically Artillery, AAA and Cruisers), but for the most part, everything is self-complimentary in boosting the overall pool of available units.

Also, the 1941 and 1942 versions have different sculpts for each unit (aside from the infantry which is identical).  The 1941 version has a different tank, fighter, bomber, destroyer, carrier and battleship sculpt/model (1-each) for the Axis and Allies respectively (things such as a Tiger Tank, He-111 bomber, FW-190 fighter, Hood BB, JS-2 tank, Russian carrier, etc, etc).  This is a plus, not a minus, and a nice way of adding cool new looks to both 1941 and 1942 (since the 1942 sculpts are different than the 1941 sculpts and vice-versa).

I got back into A&A by purchasing 1941, quickly followed by a purchase of 1942, then pooling all the units together in common bins for use in either game.  I also boosted that further by purchasing more units from HBG to make it possible for me to play a “chitless” game if I so choose in either version (assisted by printing larger maps to give more room, but that’s another subject).  For example, all five of my powers have over 60 infantry and 24 tanks in their bins for each nation.  I highly recommend doing what you asked… just buy 1942 and merge them… if you want more than that, go on HBG and order additional units.

Enjoy the game, its a lot of fun.

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I tried a SS5-DD6-TP8-CA9-CV12-BB15 increment cost for warships.
It allows more units at sea.

My planes were cheaper too (and different in combat values) Fg6 TcB8 StB10

Inf, Art and AAA were added too.
Here is the link with a word document to the modified set-up and units.
I Hope these players aids could help.

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=36833.msg1469053#msg1469053

Also, it looks like you’ve made submarines 1 IPC cheaper and given them a convoy raiding ability, without any real compensating disadvantages. You’ve changed the submerge ability, but on balance I think the submerge ability is still equally powerful. I think submarines are already a pretty good buy OOB at 6 IPCs, in part because they are the cheapest ship and therefore often the best available fodder.

One thing to know about Subs A2first strike A1 C5 is that loosing them on defense as fodder, is a pretty good news to the attacker. Because, if they submerge, they will gets a much better attack factor than DDs, and for 5 IPCs, pretty cheap to buy. Also, you cannot use them as fodder against other sub.
So, on offence, it is better to lose DDs because A2 first strike should be preserved.
On defense, it is better to use your Sub later, hence Submerging eventually.
And Subs cannot hit subs so you must pick DD as fodder instead.

@oztea:

whoops, i meant january-febuary 194_3_

which means the 42 setup is going to have to back track

im all befuddled now

The operation you described (Manstein’s attempt to break the entrapment of the 6th Army at Stalingrad) actually took place in December 1942. If you’re looking into 1943 then you’d have the 3rd Battle of Kharkov (the Germans taking the territory of Rostov) on Feb or even Kursk, although that’s by late summer 1943.

Most techs are useless, except  forcertain players.
Rokets: If your germany you have three aaguns and three industial complexs near by. As long as your winning in africa and the US/Uk is not ready to open up another front this tech can easly fix a bad Russian front.
Jets: Well now you have a 3/5  fighter, goooood for you, But you should have  just bought six infantry
Super Subs: It looks sexy on the outside put most countries don’t have enough somes for this to be usefull
Long Range Aircraft: Just not enough oppertunites for this to be useful.
Combined Bombardment: Enough said
Heavy Bombers: At some point in the game it’s not a bad idea to get heavy bombers. For an average cost of 30 IPC’s you can turn your alomst useless one dice bombers who only will cost the enemy 15 IPCs on average ( The same amount who payed to get the bombers in the first) into two dice bombers which will cost the emeny 30 IPC per bomber.

PS: If your country has an income under 30 IPCs it means your about to lose your cpaital so don’t woory about techs, buy infantry