Subs

@Marty-R It depends on the situation:

Scenario 1:
A carrier with planes (same power) is the attacker: In this case the carrier and the planes move independently, so the planes are already in the air while the carrier moves. So the carrier does not actually carry cargo when it is hit. However the planes can’t land on a damaged carrier and need to spend their remaining movement points to (hopefully) land.

Scenario 2:
A carrier with planes (friendly power=“guest aircraft”) is part of the attacking force: In this case it is only the carrier that moves, as the friendly planes are cargo. In case the carrier is hit only once the planes are stuck on the carrier until it gets repaired, as they can’t launch from a damaged carrier when it is their turn.

Scenario 3:
A carrier with planes (either same power or friendly power) is the defender: When the carrier is attacked the planes are considered to be defending in the air. So the carrier does not actually carry cargo when it is hit. So when the carrier is hit, the planes need to search for an alternative landing place within the range of 1 space. (This is @koala 's above scenario.)

By the rules planes are only considered being cargo when they are on a friendly power’s attacking carrier (“guest aircraft” - scenario 2). And cargo simply sinks with the carrier, there is no extra move.

@weddingsinger said in Large sub buy for Germany?:

Anyone try something a bit different, like a G2 larger sub buy for Germany?

Presumably something like 10 mechs and 6 subs would be useful. 6 subs plus 4 bombers gets you plenty of opportunities against Allied navy at Gibraltor or to start convoying England. But subs are soooo bad at defending it seems it would be easy to lose.

Anyone try something like this? Or anything else unusual?

Admiral Raeder approves :)

sorry that’s all i have to add to the discussion : )

A transport can load units while in any friendly sea zone along its route, including the sea zone it started in. If a transport loads
land units during the Combat Move phase, it must offload those units to attack a hostile territory as part of an amphibious
assault during the Conduct Combat phase, or it must retreat during the sea combat step of the amphibious assault sequence
while attempting to do so. A transport that is part of an amphibious assault must end its movement in a friendly sea zone (or
one that could become friendly as result of sea combat) from which it can conduct the assault. However, a transport is not
allowed to offload land units for an amphibious assault in a sea zone containing 1 or more ignored enemy submarines unless at
least 1 warship belonging to the attacking power is also present in the sea zone at the end of the Combat Move phase.

Page 16, AA Pacific 1940 Rulebook

Battleships, aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, submarines, and transports move, attack, and defend in sea zones. They
can’t move into territories. For the sake of these rules, the following are surface warships: battleships, carriers, cruisers, and
destroyers. Transports are not warships. Submarines are warships, but they are not surface warships.

Page 31, AA Pacific 1940 Rulebook

This might help clarify.

Good Point Krieghund… I had not thought of a carrier as a warship but corrected my post above.

From new A&A Europe Rule Book, reprint and purchased this week.
Page 30, last paragraph under Air Units: Air units can hit submarines only if a friendly destroyer is in the battle.
Page 32, Submarines: Unit Characteristics: Can’t Be Hit by Air Units: When attacking or defending, hits scored by air units can’t be assigned to submarines unless there is a destroyer that is friendly to the air units in the battle.
Page 32, Destroyers: Unit Characteristics: last paragraph … cancels the following characteristics of all enemy submarines in that battle: Surprise Strike, Submersible, and Can’t Be Hit by Air Units. …

Thanks for the info

Oh! So true, I just read rules again… obviously I misread it (and misplayed it) with my boardgames for quite a while

Thank you for the added answer! :)

Bruce.

It seems with 6 subs on the board, you could keep 2 off Canada and 4 off London. That means you would subtract 11 IPCs from the UK until the US entered the war, if UK does not build a DD in Canada.

You could keep London at around 18 IPCs until the US enters the war. However, I don’t think Germany can spare the money on sea units, since I believe they need to help Japan gather victory cities or face a long term loss of game. I also suspect that the US will have 2-3 DDs in their war fleet able to clear two of the convoy zones for UK.

Personally I would make air units over sea units, as you can then threaten fleets and land units especially if you need a quick extra “push” against Moscow early on.

You would discourage a navy build by UK until the US could arrive on scene.

In some Europe games, I did produce a couple of subs early on, but not in any global games. I found their life span to be brief unless they hid behind Denmark.