G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread

@Adam514:

@axis-dominion:

no more than +3 or just +2, if even……

keep in mind that taking london means another 8pc from just the territories, along with a strong strategic position loaded with air and naval bases. and of course don’t forget the huge surge in ipc like 30 or more from capturing the capitol, and also the usual 20 or more gain in tuv from the battle (usually if germany goes SL it will ensure overwhelming odds).

other NOs are usually on top of a much smaller ipc gain, for example, novg or volg.

@Shin:

I think making it a land unit is a good call, as is adding the +5 to Germany for Axis occupation of London.� Getting London is tough under the best of circumstances - there should be a reward for that.� Esp since so many of these NOs are supposed to represent morale and whatnot.

I’m inclined to agree. Plus there’s a certain elegant simplicity in having all the vCs worth +5 pus
London is considerably harder to hold by Germany in Balance Mod since US can liberate UK without the fear of Germany plundering UK income again. In my opinion +5 is probably just right.

@Infrastructure:

A third option could be that if vichy requirements are met any turn after turn 1 that you ignore the, “3. There are no non-french, Allied units in Southern France.”  If at any french turn after turn1 there are allied units in southern france the territory becomes hostile, but since germany cannot move into southern france, the ftr/units get a turn to move out and all they have accomplished is delaying vichy 1 turn.  Probably too hard to code though…

Probably unnecessary since it is extremely easy for Germany to air nuke Southern France on round 2 (if it really wants to), and there is little reason for UK to keep supplying southern France with fighters to prevent Vichy after round 1, since the strategic benefits of Vichy France go down considerably after the first round (most of the French units, including the fleet in sz 93, will move out on the first round).

That said, Vichy France does occasionally happen on the second round. An example is my ongoing game with Shin Ji.

@regularkid:

An example is my ongoing game with Shin Ji.

. . . my ongoing game against Mr. Roboto.**

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=37496.msg1514464#msg1514464

We’ve tried to avoid changing unit starting setup for reasons discussed above (that’s what bids are for).

Jdow take you up on yer offer of a game yet?

Hey all. The Mod Squad has been wrestling with the idea of adding a +5 National Objection for German occupation of London. We’ve heard Axis-Dominion’s reasoned objections to it. And we’ve also played a couple Sealion games since the proposal was made.

The concern is this: a +5 bonus may make Sealion too attractive in borderline cases (maybe even overpowered), especially when coupled with Vichy France, and the requirement of using UK lland units to counter Vichy French conversion of territory. On the other hand, it does seem that something is needed to keep UK honest the first couple of rounds.

So here’s another proposal for a Sealion-related NO: Germany gets +5 if it has a land unit in either Egypt or the United Kingdom. This, obviously, would replace Germany’s existing Egypt NO.

What do you guys think? Axis-Domion?

@Shin:

I’d say it’s a bit on the weak side, but I’m fine with it.

One thought that occurs to me, perhaps the Germans could get 3 IPCs for any round where the Atlantic did not have transports?  Historically, U-Boats sinking commercial shipping was pretty important.

Hrm.  Maybe Germans can get a bonus of 3 IPCs anytime their U-Boats are convoying in the Atlantic?

Interesting ideas, but they ain’t really Sealion specific, which is what we’re trying to address.

Axis-dominion, while your idea could certainly work, it does increase the total amount of PUs Germany can obtain from NOs by 5. Do you think this idea is more or less ‘overpowered’ than the idea of keeping the total amount of Germany’s NO Pus the same, but making the Egypt NO  easier to achieve (by adding the UK route)?

Also, would your proposed NO include Ireland?

well, regarding UK’s island NOs in the med, removing one (or even requiring allied occupation of crete, which would, in most games, delay achievement of the NO by several rounds at least) would substantially impact the balance of the game I think. Judging from the current win/loss ratio, Axis doesn’t really need all that much help.

The idea behind the proposed UK/Egypt NO for Germany is really not so much about balance as it is about gameplay. The aim is to dissuade ‘greedy’ UK1 purchases that seek to take the med out of play from the get go, by making Sealion a more viable strategy long term.

Also, its worth noting that, if you remove the +3 med-island NO, from the start, UK europe would actually make less than in the vanilla game.