15L bmnielsen (Axis) vs. axis-dominion (Allies +20) Game 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians repair damage of 2x factory_major; Remaining resources: 23 PUs;
            Russians buy 2 artilleries and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            2 infantry moved from Samara to Volgograd
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Volgograd

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Volgograd
                Russians attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 armour and 1 factory_minor
                Russians win, taking Volgograd from Germans with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Volgograd to Russia
            1 aaGun and 4 infantry moved from Samara to Russia

Place Units - Russians
            2 artilleries and 5 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 20 PUs; end with 20 PUs total
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from India: 1 armour
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Yunnan: 1 armour
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 2 infantry, 3 tactical_bombers and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 unit repaired.
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 26 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hawaiian Islands to 16 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Amur to 16 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Belgian Congo
            1 fighter moved from French West Africa to Belgian Congo
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Belgian Congo

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Iwo Jima
                Americans attack with 3 artilleries and 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Americans win, taking Iwo Jima from Japanese with 3 artilleries and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Belgian Congo
                Americans attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                Americans win, taking Belgian Congo from Italians with 1 armour and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Battle in 16 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 battleship, 3 carriers, 3 cruisers and 1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 16 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            2 carriers, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 4 submarines and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to 64 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 64 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 fighter moved from 17 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western United States to 23 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Western United States to Amur
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 101 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 bomber moved from French West Africa to Western United States
            1 fighter moved from Belgian Congo to Rhodesia
            1 destroyer moved from 25 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            2 transports placed in 10 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 53 PUs; end with 53 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 58 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 73 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
            Chinese buy 3 artilleries and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar
                  Chinese take Chahar from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
                  Chinese take Kwangsi from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Hunan
                  Chinese take Hunan from Japanese

Combat - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            8 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma
            1 fighter moved from Shensi to Burma
            2 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan

Place Units - Chinese
            3 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Szechwan

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 11 PUs; end with 11 PUs total
            Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 17 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 1 aaGun and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Ethiopia
                  British take Ethiopia from Italians
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Tanganyika Territory
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Egypt to Kenya
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Kenya

Combat - British
            Battle in Kenya
                British attack with 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                British win, taking Kenya from Italians with 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Alexandria
                British attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 artillery
                British win, taking Alexandria from Italians with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery
            Battle in Tanganyika Territory
                British attack with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry
                Italians defend with 1 artillery
                British win, taking Tanganyika Territory from Italians with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery

Non Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Chinese from Szechwan: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Chinese to Szechwan: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 fighter moved from Kenya to Egypt
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
            1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
                  British take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 infantry moved from Syria to Iraq
            1 infantry moved from Persia to Eastern Persia
            1 aaGun and 9 infantry moved from India to Burma
            2 aaGuns, 1 fighter and 7 mech_infantrys moved from Yunnan to Burma
            2 aaGuns and 3 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to 64 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 64 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 carrier and 1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 80 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Quebec to Central United States
            1 infantry moved from Quebec to Ontario

Place Units - British
            1 aaGun, 1 armour and 1 fighter placed in Egypt
            2 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            1 mech_infantry placed in Union of South Africa

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 109 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,6,5,4
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 98 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,3,5,4,1
            British collect 30 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 30 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Chinese from Szechwan: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Chinese to Yunnan: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            3 fighters moved from Yunnan to Burma
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Queensland to 17 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from New South Wales to Queensland
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from South Australia to Queensland
            1 cruiser moved from 54 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs total
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 15 PUs

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 6

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - French

No

the all-bomber strategy seems virtually unbeatable…i’m at a loss as to what to do against it, to be honest. and i’m not alone i guess, judging from your record in using it and apparently dizzknee too. the bomber stacks are way overpowered, especially for germany given its unique combination of factors that favor the strategy, including a strong starting ground force; high income; even higher income potential; its minimal need for navy; and its great threat projection all across europe, russia, the med, middle east, and any sea zones that are near enough from which to launch an invasion.

some other experienced players had suggested a KJF approach, and so having tried that here, i see it allows for euro axis to get way too big and your bombers are totally free to bomb moscow and even london to oblivion. and anyway, even if i were to actually TAKE tokyo, which is highly unlikely but let’s pretend, what’s to stop you from simply loading up your trannies and, along with your entire air force, going straight for egypt? with russia about to fall here, you can simply do that and it’s game over. so clearly i’m on the wrong track.

i don’t really think there’s an effective counter to this strategy…although i do believe it is possible to beat it, i believe the strategy is probably something like 95 to 99% unbeatable, which to me still leaves us with a broken game. there is therefore exposed here a fundamental problem with the game’s rules, requiring further refinements to be made. i especially feel the SBR is too overpowered, and the intercepting capability is too under-powered. i mean c’mon, fighters dog fight against bombers at an equivalent value of 1?

i know i’m not the best player out there, but first of all, i don’t lose many games, and when i do lose, it’s only with allies and usually after 20+ rounds of play (i’ve never lost an axis game in league or lobby play). against you with this strategy, however, i fall very quickly…it’s actually pitiful LOL

i’m quite curious to have your opinion on this.

the idea of bidding even higher to help cope with a specific overpowered strategy seems wrong to me, since i don’t believe the more conventional strategies are nearly as problematic and it’d therefore needlessly affect those ones drastically. it then leaves us with the awkward situation of bidding higher when knowing you’re going to have to deal with this one specific german strategy. idk, i just don’t see it as the fix.

your idea of capping the bombers at a certain percentage of IPC does appeal to me, however. it’s a rule agreement that is sensible and simple to implement in the league. i will definitely push for that with gamer. however, before i do that, i wanna make sure my belief is even further substantiated by some more play testing.

my friend adam514 is a solid allied player and more experienced at this game than myself, and he believes he may have a counter to your strategy. would you kindly play against him to see if his allies would have any chance against it? you can either do it as a league game or just take it to the non-league forum and make it a play testing game. i know you’re pretty busy, so to help with that, i could just resign this one so you’re not feeling the pressure of starting another game. what do you say?

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians repair damage of 12x factory_major; Remaining resources: 8 PUs;
            Russians buy 1 aaGun and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Samara
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Samara

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Tambov
                Russians attack with 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 aaGun
                Russians win, taking Tambov from Germans with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for Germans: 1 aaGun
            Battle in Samara
                Russians attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Samara to Russia
            1 armour moved from Yunnan to Burma
            2 fighters moved from India to Burma

Place Units - Russians
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 15 PUs; end with 15 PUs total

ok sounds good. i’ll play this one out another round or two so you can give me a proper crushing :) i don’t see why we can’t also start our finals match off. go ahead and PM me your bid and we’ll go from there.