Worst part of the game so far

I agree I think the worst part of the game is so many complaints about it by people who have never even seen the game let alone played a game. Should at least play ONE game by the rules before complaining and changing things.

Best post of 2013!

Totally correct, these peeps reworked the entire game before playing it. It’s laughable!

I understand about being enthusiastic about a new product, but all these rule changes without seeing if the game is balanced first must be a joke.

@Razor:

I’ll say for sure nobody on this board will by the game to get that derogatory map, they will buy it to get the new inf pieces to use as neutrals in the G40

Hey Razor, off topic but relevant to your post, Attack! by Eagle games is a great resource for neutral sculpts. It was going for as cheap ten bucks on Amazon.

@Yavid:

@djensen:

Where is none of the above? Have you guys even played yet?

I agree I think the worst part of the game is so many complants about it by people who have never even seen the game let alone played a game. Should atleast play ONE game by the rules before complaining and changing things.

We have seen quite a lot of it, actually. As it stands it seems that the Russian Revolution can actually hurt the CP. There’s nothing wrong with knowing what you want out of the game, knowing that it is or isn’t there, and looking to change it to suit the tastes of yourself and those you play with. Larry shouldn’t have to take crap for not making a game that perfectly pleases everyone, but those who want to change it to make it more fun for themselves are not obligated to play a game to know what is going to make the game more fun for them and brainstorm, especially with the large amount of info we have.

The game looks great!  House rules? No problem. Generic sculpts? I grew up with Classic. Buying a copy? Hell yeah… maybe two.

@Imperious:

I agree I think the worst part of the game is so many complaints about it by people who have never even seen the game let alone played a game. Should at least play ONE game by the rules before complaining and changing things.

Best post of 2013!

Totally correct, these peeps reworked the entire game before playing it. It’s laughable!

I understand about being enthusiastic about a new product, but all these rule changes without seeing if the game is balanced first must be a joke.

Point 1: When the mistakes and anachronisms are so glaring, it’s plenty of provocation to start musing about things we’ll change. I mean, c’mon:

• Moscow is magically the capital of Russia. I don’t care if it’s for gameplay or whatever, add fluff territories or just give the Russian player the challenge of having a coastal capital.
• East Prussia, the site of one of the most famous battles of the war, is nowhere to be found.
• The U.S. can frolic about Western Europe, before their war effort was even a twinkle in Woodrow Wilson’s eye.
• Railroads, a hallmark of this era of warfare, aren’t represented at all, and the nature of the map doesn’t imply that they are worked into normal movement.
• The Russian Revolution rules are poorly written and lead to confusion.
• Tanks aren’t balanced between their cost and their combat effectiveness.

Point 2: We’ve ‘seen the game’ plenty. As early as a few months ago, we had solid rules relayed anecdotally from the game’s designer. Granted, we haven’t played (besides the Brits), but I don’t think it’s far-fetched at all to start brainstorming houserules (I’ll mention again that such activity only adds traffic to this site, not sure why you would be upset or incredulous about that.)

Yes but you haven’t played it yet. :-D  All those changes will alter balance in some cases. Find out if it’s balanced then consider changes. Those changes will require a new setup.

Or throw out the rules and make your own game using that map and those pieces. Officially this hodge podge of " i declare this game sucks and here’s my 50 pages of house rules to prove it" vent is more laughable than the OOB rules.

You got to admit it’s entertaining to see how many want to change it before they got it. :mrgreen:

@IL I don’t think too harsh a judgement can be made without actually playing it, that I can agree with. However I don’t think that we ever get the best product any more. That being said I’m excited about this game. I have had disappointments with the franchise ever since Revised (My UK units aren’t lime green like everyone else’s brand new copy) and AA50 as far as quality of materials. Without going too off topic some of the rules and regulations in the series have been complicated and confusing to a casual old school classic player.

Still I will buy this game and if nothing else it looks like a lot of fun. I can see a possible after game showdown between the victors incorporating WW2 sculpts. I don’t mind far fetched, that’s what I loved about Classic possible but improbable was always fun and you could always change things.

Production glitches were made, but declaring the game needs a major change in terms of it’s ideas is premature if it was not played.

And the ideas are fine, just that you will be better informed if a few games have been played first.

@Imperious:

Production glitches were made, but declaring the game needs a major change in terms of it’s ideas is premature if it was not played.

And the ideas are fine, just that you will be better informed if a few games have been played first.

I agree a full review of a book based on it’s jacket is ridiculous.  However a preview of the first few chapters will give you a good idea of what the rest of the book is like. I do reserve any judgement until its too late any way LOL… after I’ve already bought and opened the box.

I don’t like the whole Russian revolution rules if I base it soley on the comments I’ve read thus far. I also don’t care for the aircraft rules without the benefit of an actual copy and playing through it. Yes you’re right calling it broken without actual gameplay is unfair.

@Imperious:

I agree I think the worst part of the game is so many complaints about it by people who have never even seen the game let alone played a game. Should at least play ONE game by the rules before complaining and changing things.

Best post of 2013!

Totally correct, these peeps reworked the entire game before playing it. It’s laughable!

I understand about being enthusiastic about a new product, but all these rule changes without seeing if the game is balanced first must be a joke.

Guilty as charged Sir :-D but balance isn’t my concern � (if I want balance I have chess),the Game has some great KISS Mechanics
but it’s not � an accurate depection of WWI.I realize it’s an A&A Game � & I can very well play & enjoy it OOB.

That said however ,I want a Game that uses those cool mechanics in a more historical way & I enjoy pimping Games to reflect my own taste in Gaming.Most of the Home Rules we have been suggesting here don’t concern balance but are simply attempts to make the Game reflect the reality of the Great War.

It’s a harmless deversion  :lol: Old Gamers never die they just Home Rule themselves into oblivion. :evil:

@Old:

Old Gamers never die they just Home Rule themselves into oblivion. :evil:

Hear, hear!

I’m curious now that the game has been released and people have played it. How are things? What’s the likes what’s the dislikes?

well my group loves it way better than global for some reason (less to worry about maybe :p) and an email to support got me the extra pieces i needed for free and our group has found that a bid of 3 inf. in berlin helps the central powers cause tremendously so yeah it’s not hat bad cheers

@gtsg:

well my group loves it way better than global for some reason (less to worry about maybe :p) and an email to support got me the extra pieces i needed for free and our group has found that a bid of 3 inf. in berlin helps the central powers cause tremendously so yeah it’s not hat bad cheers

That’s why it’s known as The Great War

I’d like to get my money back for this broken PoS!!!

@loki17:

I’d like to get my money back for this broken PoS!!!

Harsh …  Bid like everybody else.

I like the game.  I would have liked to have seen rules for rail.  Maybe some more optional rules for gas attacks and other political rules.

@ch0senfktard:

Where is “All of the above?”

Exactly. That’s where my vote goes.

@Auztria:

Land movement is still too slow, the ground war feels too monotone until tanks get involved

That’s actually a pretty good description of how WWI was actually like on the Western Front.

@CWO:

@Auztria:

Land movement is still too slow, the ground war feels too monotone until tanks get involved

That’s actually a pretty good description of how WWI was actually like on the Western Front.

^this

This war was hallmarked by slow-moving fronts, and the tactics were pretty “monotone” as well…send massive numbers of infantry over the top into the teeth of machine guns and infantry. If you want a fast-moving war, I suggest looking elsewhere.

That doesn’t necessarily mean that the war was uninteresting. I personally find it fascinating; the transformation of warfare from line maneuvering and firing to modern tank- and air-based tactics, the obsoletion of cavalry, and the desperate life-and-death struggle between great empires. But it was by no means fast-moving, and expecting the game to simulate it as such is not reasonable.