Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2)

Cow: Mongolia only becomes Axis friendly if attacked by Russia.

If Russia (or US) attacks a strict Neutral, Mongolia remains friendly to Russia, unless Russia attacks Korea or a Japanese controlled territory. It would then become strict Neutral and Russia loses its special relationship with it.

You can never fly over a Neutral unless you are attacking it.

So does Russia have to do an attack on a neutral then? He is trying to fly over Afghanistan… technically it is pro axis when he declares war on it.

If I am reading page 11 right. He has to attack Afghanistan then retreat from it if he wants his air in Russia.

Moving into an unfriendly neutral is considered a combat
move and any combat must be resolved during the Conduct
Combat phase (see �Combat Move,� page 12). Before the
neutral territory can be taken control of by the invading
power, all of the neutral�s standing army units must be
eliminated. Air units can�t fly over an unfriendly neutral
unless they are attacking it.

This is super funny.

So if he wants his India air to make it to Russia he has to attack it and then retreat?

wrong again cow… wrong again.  :roll:

Isn’t Cow correct?  As long as both Russia and UK are at war, either power could declare war on the Neutrals and attack Afghanistan with planes (and maybe some tank/mech units) in order to get those planes from India to Russia or vice versa.  That might be useful to reinforce either capitol in a desperate situation.  Once at war with Neutrals, all allied powers could also fly over Afghanistan without attacking it.  So to defend Moscow, maybe Russia could break the seal on the Neutrals then UK and ANZAC fighters follow suit.

You don’t ever declare war on neutral territories - you just attack them.  If Afghanistan were attacked by an Allied power, it would join the Axis, and all other strict neutrals except the Mongolian territories would become pro-Axis neutrals.

Other than that, Cow is correct.  An attack on Afghanistan would allow the surviving planes to retreat to Moscow.

krieg, can just the planes that survived the attack get to moscow?  what about other planes that want to fly over afghanistan in noncom?  can they do so if afghanistan still has a standing army?

@Commando:

@Gamerman01:

#2, they become pro-Allied

The allies have to move a non-AAA ground unit in to take control of them

How does this apply to the Mongols? Do they automatically become Russian? Or, does Russia have to move a ground unit(non-AA) into each territory?

Krieg, in your answer above you state that if an Allied power attacked Afghanistan, then it would join the Axis and all other strict neutrals would become Pro-Axis neutrals but Mongolia would not? See the answer I got from Gamerman above, on the previous page. Wouldn’t Mongolia also become Pro-Axis neutral in this example?

Boldfresh, yes, I believe you’re correct in that planes could fly over Afghanistan in non-combat once you’ve attacked…

Or, does the Soviet/Japanese Non-Aggression Pact prevail in this situation? Now, let’s say the reverse, as I posted in my quote from Gamerman. Example : The Axis attack a strict neutral. All other strict neutrals become Pro-Allied neutrals. What happens to Mongolia? Do they become Pro-Allied. Or, does the Soviet/Japanese Non-Aggression Pact prevail in this situation as well?

You guys all need to carefully read the strict neutral, friendly neutral, un-friendly neutral, and Mongolia rules in the 2nd edition rulebook.

I will give you a clear summary of all the Mongolia/strict neutral rules here shortly

@Boldfresh:

krieg, can just the planes that survived the attack get to moscow?  what about other planes that want to fly over afghanistan in noncom?  can they do so if afghanistan still has a standing army?

Yes, they could.  You could accomplish the same thing by attacking Afghanistan with one infantry (or even having another power attack it before your turn) and then moving the planes in noncombat movement.

@Commando:

Krieg, in your answer above you state that if an Allied power attacked Afghanistan, then it would join the Axis and all other strict neutrals would become Pro-Axis neutrals but Mongolia would not? See the answer I got from Gamerman above, on the previous page. Wouldn’t Mongolia also become Pro-Axis neutral in this example?

No.  Mongolia only becomes pro-Axis if it is attacked by the Soviet Union.

@Commando:

Now, let’s say the reverse, as I posted in my quote from Gamerman. Example : The Axis attack a strict neutral. All other strict neutrals become Pro-Allied neutrals. What happens to Mongolia? Do they become Pro-Allied. Or, does the Soviet/Japanese Non-Aggression Pact prevail in this situation as well?

They become pro-Allies.

Thanks Krieghund

Mongolia:

1. If Japan attacks a Russian controlled territory bordering Mongolia, all of Mongolia is immediately Russian
     a) If Japan attacks Mongolia in the same combat move, they break neutrality of all strict neutrals
     b) This is the ONLY way all of Mongolia will immediately turn Russian without territories needing to be activated.

2. If Russia attacks Korea or a Japanese controlled territory bordering Mongolia, then the Mongolians will not join Russia as in #1 above

If neither of the above takes place, Mongolia continues on as a strict neutral, but

1. Will NOT go pro-Axis if the Allies break neutrality elsewhere
    a) Mongolia ONLY goes pro-Axis if Russia directly attacks Mongolia.  This would break neutrality around the world.
       i) Any OTHER Ally can attack Mongolia directly and this will break neutrality around the world, but the rest of Mongolia will curiously stay neutral
    b) Mongolia WILL go pro-Allied if the Axis break strict neutrality anywhere, including Mongolia

Neutrals:

1. You can’t move a tank through a friendly neutral that you just activated
    a) You CAN blitz strict neutrals and unfriendly neutrals
2. You CAN’T land air in any neutral that was neutral at the beginning of your turn
    a) You CAN land air in a neutral that has been attacked previously and joined your side (the infantry are still not controlled by a playable power because the territory has not been activated and is not controlled by any playable power yet)
3. You CAN’T fly over neutrals
    a) Except to attack it directly
    b) After attacking it, you CAN fly off where-ever you want as long as you don’t fly over another neutral
    c) You CAN fly over a neutral that has been attacked previously, because it is actually no longer a neutral even if it was not conquered.  It has joined the opposing side.  You can do this in the non-combat move immediately following the attack.
4. Despite what Triple A says, you do NOT declare war on neutrals

Beware: There are currently a lot of these rules that Triple A does not currently adhere to correctly.  You are responsible for knowing the rules yourself.  Don’t rely on Triple A for rule interpretation.  Just because it allows it, doesn’t mean it’s legal.

Might have forgot something - can always edit later

How about the Dutch colonies?  They aren’t neutral but they are sort of weird too

kcdzim put it quite succinctly.
I won’t use the quote function because it will all be in small print with blue background, so I’ll just cite the source.  This is from kcdzim:

Dutch territories are treated exactly the same as any other territory that is

a) friendly
b) lost their capitol.

The only difference between Dutch territories and say, French territories after Paris has been lost, is that the UK/Anzac have a special relationship that allows them to take control of them before they’ve been captured by moving a ground unit into it.  Typically you need to capture - this is the one of the two instances where control of a friendly territory passes to a friendly power.  The other instance is a neutral that has been attacked but not captured.

So when you’re confused about things, ask yourself how you’d treat normandy if it were still french.

Can you UK/Anzac/US/Russia land a plane there?  Yes, as long as it started the turn friendly and they’re not neutral.  Exactly the same as any other friendly territory.

The US is not barred from being in a dutch territory - they must be at war first, but then they’re allowed to move into it just like any other friendly territory.

I will add one direct statement in an attempt to improve understanding and clarity:

The USA can NOT take control of a Dutch territory the way UK/ANZ can.  The only way for the USA to control a territory that was originally Dutch is if an Axis power takes it first.  Then if the USA takes it, they will control it.

If the allies declare war on True Neutrals, does Mongolia lose its ability to become Pro-Allies?

If after allies declare war on true neutrals, can Japan attack a russian held territory bordering mongolia without fear of mongolia instantly turning russian?

If after allies declare war on true neutrals, can Japan declare war on mongolia and directly attack it, without affecting other neutrals?  Does this also flip all of mongolia?

@Veqryn:

If the allies declare war on True Neutrals, does Mongolia lose its ability to become Pro-Allies?

If after allies declare war on true neutrals, can Japan attack a russian held territory bordering mongolia without fear of mongolia instantly turning russian?

If after allies declare war on true neutrals, can Japan declare war on mongolia and directly attack it, without affecting other neutrals?  Does this also flip all of mongolia?

Gamer is your mongolia post unclear in any way?

@Veqryn:

If the allies declare war on True Neutrals, does Mongolia lose its ability to become Pro-Allies?

No.  Mongolia does not turn pro-Axis unless Russia attacks it directly.  Therefore, Mongolia could become pro-Allied after the Allies break neutrality on the rest of the world.  This would happen if an Axis power invaded a Mongolian territory.  The rest of Mongolia would turn pro-Allies.

If after allies declare war on true neutrals, can Japan attack a russian held territory bordering mongolia without fear of mongolia instantly turning russian?

No, Mongolia WILL turn Russian in this case.  The rule book says if Japan attacks a Russian controlled territory bordering Mongolia, it will instantly turn Russian.  There is no condition about the status of the other true neutrals and whether the Allies have broken neutrality elsewhere.

If after allies declare war on true neutrals, can Japan declare war on mongolia and directly attack it, without affecting other neutrals?  Does this also flip all of mongolia?

You don’t declare war on Mongolia or true neutrals.  You only declare war on playable powers.  You have confused everyone by making it say “Declare war on the neutrals!” in Triple A!  :-)
If Japan attacks Mongolia after the allies have broken true neutrality elsewhere in the world, this would have NO effect on the OTHER true neutrals around the world.  It would only turn all the other NON-ATTACKED Mongolian territories PRO-ALLIED

just read it quick but I’m not sure that last part is Right gammer.  If allies broke neutrality then all neutrals but mongolia are already pro axis.

@Boldfresh:

just read it quick but I’m not sure that last part is Right gammer.  If allies broke neutrality then all neutrals but mongolia are already pro axis.

Yeah, I think you read it too quick.  Read it again.

@Gamerman01:

@Boldfresh:

just read it quick but I’m not sure that last part is Right gammer.  If allies broke neutrality then all neutrals but mongolia are already pro axis.

Yeah, I think you read it too quick.  Read it again.

I think ive been reading cow’s ramblings too much its scrambling my brains.