Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2)

Thanks.  That rule is certainly not cut and dry the way the rule-book is written but good to know the intent.

@Gamerman01:

@IKE:

If you are attacking Spain then you can fly over it, according to the rules.  Where does it stipulate that you cannot fly over it in that combat phase, only non-combat?

It does seem you can interpret that rule more than one way.  It means that you can fly over it only to attack it - it doesn’t mean you can fly other planes over it at the same time en route to a different destination.  We know this because Krieghund has clarified it for us.
You can fly over it in the noncombat phase because at the beginning of the phase it was an enemy territory - it was not a neutral.  At the beginning of the combat movement phase, it was neutral.

Reading “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it” I interpret that as if I attack the neutral then I can also fly over it in combat phase.  That’s why I’m wondering if you found further clarification on this than what I saw in the rulebook.

Yes, Krieghund told us.

But doesn’t the rulebook also say you can’t fly over pro-enemy neutrals unless you’re attacking it? Wouldn’t that mean that you can only fly planes to and from a battle there, not that you can fly planes from elsewhere over it in noncombat?

@calvinhobbesliker:

But doesn’t the rulebook also say you can’t fly over pro-enemy neutrals unless you’re attacking it? Wouldn’t that mean that you can only fly planes to and from a battle there, not that you can fly planes from elsewhere over it in noncombat?

No. See the rulebook:

@rulebook:

…
When a neutral territory is invaded, it’s no longer considered
neutral and immediately becomes part of the alliance
opposing the power that attacked it.
…

So in NCM the territory is either captured or hostile.

@calvinhobbesliker:

@Gamerman01:

@IKE:

If you are attacking Spain then you can fly over it, according to the rules.  Where does it stipulate that you cannot fly over it in that combat phase, only non-combat?

It does seem you can interpret that rule more than one way.  It means that you can fly over it only to attack it - it doesn’t mean you can fly other planes over it at the same time en route to a different destination.  We know this because Krieghund has clarified it for us.
You can fly over it in the noncombat phase because at the beginning of the phase it was an enemy territory - it was not a neutral.  At the beginning of the combat movement phase, it was neutral.

Reading “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it” I interpret that as if I attack the neutral then I can also fly over it in combat phase.   That’s why I’m wondering if you found further clarification on this than what I saw in the rulebook.

Yes, Krieghund told us.

But doesn’t the rulebook also say you can’t fly over pro-enemy neutrals unless you’re attacking it? Wouldn’t that mean that you can only fly planes to and from a battle there, not that you can fly planes from elsewhere over it in noncombat?

calvin…… are you back???  :-o :-D

Calvin,

Rulebook says the rules for strict neutrals are the same as for unfriendly neutrals, yes.
So it doesn’t matter if it’s an unfriendly neutral or a strict neutral - you can’t fly over it except to attack it, when it is neutral.  But after the first combat phase where a neutral is attacked, it is no longer neutral as P@nther pointed out.

@Boldfresh:

calvin…… are you back???   :-o :-D

I was going to notify you, but true to Bold form, you saw it within 30 minutes  :roll:

@Gamerman01:

@IKE:

Reading “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it” I interpret that as if I attack the neutral then I can also fly over it in combat phase.   That’s why I’m wondering if you found further clarification on this than what I saw in the rulebook.

Yes, Krieghund told us.

I don’t see any ambiguity in this rule as written.  “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it.”  This doesn’t give them license to fly over it if other units are attacking it.

So, for example, if Germany attacks Yugoslavia on G1 but does not conquer it, Yugoslavia is no longer neutral.  Germany can’t fly air over Yugoslavia in the combat movement phase, but may attack Yugoslavia with aircraft.  Then after not conquering Yugoslavia, Germany can freely fly aircraft over Yugoslavia in the noncombat phase, and any other power may fly over Yugoslavia.  Also, any non-neutral Allied power may land aircraft in Yugoslavia to join the surviving infantry.  Of course, this does not activate Yugoslavia, but the Allies are able to land there once it has been attacked.

It works the same way for strict neutrals.
A country is either neutral or it is not.  Once it has been attacked by any unit, it is no longer neutral.

@Krieghund:

@Gamerman01:

@IKE:

Reading “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it” I interpret that as if I attack the neutral then I can also fly over it in combat phase.�  � That’s why I’m wondering if you found further clarification on this than what I saw in the rulebook.

Yes, Krieghund told us.

I don’t see any ambiguity in this rule as written.  “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it.”  This doesn’t give them license to fly over it if other units are attacking it.

krieg, are you saying you cannot attack an neutral with a single infantry and then in noncom, fly aircraft over the previously-neutral-but-now-friendly-to-the-other-side territory?

No, that’s not what I’m saying.  As Gamerman01 pointed out, at the time of the noncombat movement phase the territory is no longer neutral, so the quoted rule no longer applies and your air units are free to fly over it.

@Boldfresh:

calvin…… are you back???  :-o :-D

Yeah, I guess I am. I got 1941 to play with some friends, so I came back here to learn more about it.

Anyway, I think I understand the rule now. A failed attack on a true/enemy neutral doesn’t make it immediately controlled by an enemy power, but it is now a hostile territory and can be landed in an activated by the other side.

@calvinhobbesliker:

@Boldfresh:

calvin…… are you back???   :-o :-D

Yeah, I guess I am. I got 1941 to play with some friends, so I came back here to learn more about it.

Anyway, I think I understand the rule now. A failed attack on a true/enemy neutral doesn’t make it immediately controlled by an enemy power, but it is now a hostile territory and can be landed in an activated by the other side.

C&HL, Don’t you mean 1942?

@Young:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@Boldfresh:

calvin…… are you back???   :-o :-D

Yeah, I guess I am. I got 1941 to play with some friends, so I came back here to learn more about it.

Anyway, I think I understand the rule now. A failed attack on a true/enemy neutral doesn’t make it immediately controlled by an enemy power, but it is now a hostile territory and can be landed in an activated by the other side.

C&HL, Don’t you mean 1942?

No, I bought 1941, since it was cheap and the simplest game (so the least time spent explaining the rules). I’m considering buying 1942 as well, since once they learn the 1941 rules, there are only a few additional 1942 rules to learn (assuming they like playing A&A).

Question, Can planes fly over the Sahara desert? I didnt not if it was just impassable to land units or land and air units.

No, and can’t fly over Pripet marshes either

why is that? what prevents a plane from flying over marshes or a desert? The Himalayas make sense but not desert and marshes.

The rules prevent it

3 German air units are attacking 2 American cruisers and 3 submarines, even though the subs can’t hit air units or be used as casualties, the subs don’t have to submerge because the air units can’t hit them even if the subs were surfaced… right?

@Young:

3 German air units are attacking 2 American cruisers and 3 submarines, even though the subs can’t hit air units or be used as casualties, the subs don’t have to submerge because the air units can’t hit them even if the subs were surfaced… right?

Right, but it shouldn’t make any difference either way

I have a question.

On page 16 of the Europe 1940, 2ed edition rulebook, the section on Scramble starts with this sentence:
“Scrambling is a special movement that the defender can make at the end of this phase.”  (emphasis added)

Now here is the situation.  The neutrals are still neutral.  Italy and Germany have airbases with fighters in Gibraltar and Morocco, but there are no axis ships in z91.   ANZAC declares war on the neutrals and attacks Portugal and Rio de Oro.  Since they are not attacking any axis power, only neutral territories, would I be correct in my interpretation of the above sentence from the rulebook, which is that the axis planes cannot scramble because the axis are not the defenders in this situation?  The neutrals are the defenders; not the axis and so they cannot scramble.