• @empireman:

    What do you mean cruisers lose dds!?
    Lets see:
    1 Destroyer VS. 1 Cruiser

    The Cruiser has a better chance of winning! It attacks @ 3, Destroyer Attacks @ 2!

    empireman is lost :P

    I hope you find your way ;)


  • @Uncrustable:

    @empireman:

    What do you mean cruisers lose dds!?
    Lets see:
    1 Destroyer VS. 1 Cruiser

    The Cruiser has a better chance of winning! It attacks @ 3, Destroyer Attacks @ 2!

    empireman is lost :P

    I hope you find your way ;)

    What?! you think a dd could beat a CR? CR attacks @ 3 a DD attacks @ 2
    3 is higher than 2, you can count! also Cruiser have a bombordment!


  • They are trying to say that 3 destroyers can beat 2 cruisers on average.
    Both are equivelant to 24 ipcs :) and 3 destroyers win.

    Also if using Low Luck Rules 5 cruisers 60ipcs v 3 battleships 60ipcs as wellthe winner would be the battleships on average


  • What?! you think a dd could beat a CR? CR attacks @ 3 a DD attacks @ 2
    3 is higher than 2, you can count! also Cruiser have a bombordment!

    Dude, compare the prices and the economy of force. The whole game is what something is worth for the ….cost.

    Battleship attacks at 4
    Bomber attacks at 4
    They have different costs and uses.

    Get with the game kid.

    bombardment!


  • @Gargantua:

    Interestingly enough… the AXIS combined set sail some 15 cruisers… in comparison to something like 1,300 submarines.

    The allies as a whole only fielded 82 cruisers in WWII compared to some 800 destroyers…

    So point of fact is, on a historical level, cruisers are integrated into the game perfectly.  They have thier purpose, and thier place, and it’s not along the lines of mass production.

    “Like”


  • Suppose there is an island you want to take and it has 1 infantry on it.  You also want to block the sea zone because the enemy has has a big force nearby with carriers, various surface ships, and subs.  You have a destroyer and a cruiser, plus a pair of transports and after your last battle you are left with 1 inf, 1 art, 1 tank.  You know that whatever is placed in the sea zone will certainly be sunk but you need to put a surface ship in there to block their movement so they can’t make an amphibious landing and take back what you just took.  Which would you send:

    a: 1 destroyer, 2 transports with 1 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 tank
        total cost is $35.  You accomplish the mission and save the cruiser

    b: 1 cruiser and 1 transport with 1 infantry and 1 tank
        total cost is $26.  You accomplish the mission and save a destroyer, a transport, and an artillery


  • yes cruisers are good for bombardment we all know that ;)

    but they suck donkey **** on the high seas

    but i like gargantuas research…proves its atleast historical.

    empireman are you still lost lol ?


  • Empireman see the OP
    and also this

    @Uncrustable:

    All opinions aside i merely present the facts…

    $ per $ cruisers are terrible in comparison to destroyers or battleships

    let me explain in further detail…

    6 battleships = 120 IPCs
    10 Cruisers = 120 IPCs
    15 Destroyers = 120 IPCs

    6 BBs vs 10 CGs = BB victory ~75% of time with a tie occurring ~3% of the time (Very one sided)
    10 CGs vs 15 DDs =  Destroyer victory 88% of the time with a tie occurring ~1% off the time (Total rape)
    6 BBs vs 15 DDs = Destroyer victory ~70% of the time with a tie occurring (One sided)

    So if your looking to win naval battles on the open sea nothing beats a mass of destroyers.
    And your DDs double as anti sub.
    If you need something that can fight and bombard then the battleship is the clear option.
    If all you care about is shore bombardment then cruisers would be the best option.

    Even if the cost of Cruisers was reduced to 11 it still loses to battleships $ to $, and barely breaks even with destroyers.

    I really like Col. Ty Webb idea. This is a historically accurate option that would give more reason to build cruisers.


  • Well I was playing a game of 1942 and I did build a few cruisers, with this in mind.

    And my friend will try to cruiser-spam me tomorrow in G1940.

    I’m seriously considering house ruling AA…


  • oh i get it now, but each unit has good stuff.

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