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I feel the next set should be a set of pieces that all nations can use:
All in GREY like OOB Factories…
Minor and Major Factories
Sub Pen- protects subs in ports from air or naval attack…cost 10 IPC
Bunker piece-- placed only when enemy forces are adjacent to home capital…protects some units from air attack results…not sure cost
Underground factory---- this is tech unit, SBR effects are reduced in half ( rounded down)
Fortification ( Atlantic wall style/ Maginot Line)-- against sea invasion allows units to fire first ( preemptively) or has its own shots against transports ( example: rolls 3 or less and hits go against loaded transports only before start of attack)
Island pill box—for small islands only, +1 for all defending units
AA guns for each nation
Flak tower ( upgraded AA gun)—hits at 2 or less…or…fires at all planes like old AA guns used too.
Headquarters ( a concrete structure with flag post)…flag decal supplied for each nation, used for capitals----just a show piece
Victory cities in player colors or just grey.
Set of tech tokens for each player so you keep token when you get tech and everybody knows it.
coastal guns— fires against ships…perhaps 1 shot at each passing ship @1?
sea mines–same as coastal guns ( but for sea zone)
V-1 rocket and launch pad ---- used as tech unit for rockets…replacing the AA gun.
holy crap that’s alot of stuff I would be happy with
Major IC
Minor IC
Air Base
Naval Base
AA Guns (color coded for each nation)
and Defensive Forts.
I support Imperious Leader’s List. That would add some serious options for AA! :-D :-D :-D :-D
WARRIOR888
Really cool list IL. You have some really neat ideas there.
I think my favorite is the “fortification” idea – the opportunity to hit loaded transports BEFORE they can land their troops. Would this be negated by accompanying warships? Perhaps on a 1:1 basis. Each transport that is paired with a warship is protected from fortification fire. If you have more transports than warships, all remaining transports can be fired on.
You could even take it a step further by designating a level of protection from each type of warship. You mentioned fortifications get a roll of 3 or less against loaded transports. How about this idea:
Unescorted transports: Roll of 3 or less can hit them.
Transports with Destroyer: Roll of 2 or less can hit them.
Transports with Cruiser: Roll of 1 can hit them.
Transports with Battleship: Totally protected, can not be hit by fortification fire.
What do you think? Sound like a winner?
On a side note, this would totally suck for the invader. There’s nothing I hate more than having an enemy sink my transports when they are still full of men and equipment.
I think my favorite is the “fortification” idea – the opportunity to hit loaded transports BEFORE they can land their troops. Would this be negated by accompanying warships? Perhaps on a 1:1 basis. Each transport that is paired with a warship is protected from fortification fire.If you have more transports than warships, all remaining transports can be fired on.
The idea is this: SB fire first because it is longer range, hits removed, then defender if they have fortification get preemptive fire at loaded transports hitting @1 with 3 shots ( even if you got 5 transports its only 3 rolls. This occurs just once. Note: attacker picks three candidates rolling for each, if hit that selection is removed.
It does not make sence to negate due to “warships”
The cost will be high enough to balance it out the game. i suggest 6-8 IPC
You could even take it a step further by designating a level of protection from each type of warship. You mentioned fortifications get a roll of 3 or less against loaded transports. How about this idea:
Unescorted transports: Roll of 3 or less can hit them.
Transports with Destroyer: Roll of 2 or less can hit them.
Transports with Cruiser: Roll of 1 can hit them.
Transports with Battleship: Totally protected, can not be hit by fortification fire.
This is too arbitrary. Too much to deal with. It must be simple.
On a side note, this would totally suck for the invader. There’s nothing I hate more than having an enemy sink my transports when they are still full of men and equipment.
It is only 3 rolls @1, just like AA guns killing 12 IPC bombers. Transport and 2 land units is about 13-15 IPC so its close. The idea is to stop the small invasions just to pick up IPC. A large Invasion wont really be effected.
Okay, my mistake. I thought you meant fortification hit on 3 or less. You meant they only get 3 shots maximum (or 1 shot per transport if less than 3) and hit @ 1.
Well, then my warship idea wouldn’t work. Treating them as a sort of AA gun against transports does sound better.
I still say Uk should be first. It’s the only of the 5 basic powers that don’t have a set even Italy and France will have a set out before UK.
I still say Uk should be first. It’s the only of the 5 basic powers that don’t have a set even Italy and France will have a set out before UK.
And separate colors for Canada, India and South Africa :-) Or at least, for their land units, as most naval would be regular British.
I agree. A gray set with major/minor complexes as well as and and navy bases is long over due.
I agree. A gray set with major/minor complexes as well as and and navy bases is long over due.
It would seem that an overwhelming number of A&A players are, and have been clamoring for these same pieces for quite a long time now. I couldn’t agree MORE!
I can remember a long and quite detailed discussion of this issue(gray Major/Minor factories, Air/Naval Bases, etc.) a year or more ago. My fingers are still crossed(and my money still waits) for these NECESARY units to be produced.
I may be wrong,…but it seems to me that these “Generic” units would be an overwhelming success as far as sales go as EVERYONE wants/needs them. I can’t imagine that there wouldn’t be enough interest in these units to warrant their production.
What do YA’LL Think???
“Tall Paul”
@Tall:
I agree. A gray set with major/minor complexes as well as and and navy bases is long over due.
It would seem that an overwhelming number of A&A players are, and have been clamoring for these same pieces for quite a long time now. I couldn’t agree MORE!
I can remember a long and quite detailed discussion of this issue(gray Major/Minor factories, Air/Naval Bases, etc.) a year or more ago. My fingers are still crossed(and my money still waits) for these NECESARY units to be produced.I may be wrong,…but it seems to me that these “Generic” units would be an overwhelming success as far as sales go as EVERYONE wants/needs them. I can’t imagine that there wouldn’t be enough interest in these units to warrant their production.
What do YA’LL Think???
“Tall Paul”
I completely agree with everything you said, I still say UK first. It would mean that all 5 major powers has a set out and then the generic set.
@Tall:
It would seem that an overwhelming number of A&A players are, and have been clamoring for these same pieces for quite a long time now. I couldn’t agree MORE!
I can remember a long and quite detailed discussion of this issue(gray Major/Minor factories, Air/Naval Bases, etc.) a year or more ago. My fingers are still crossed(and my money still waits) for these NECESARY units to be produced.I may be wrong,…but it seems to me that these “Generic” units would be an overwhelming success as far as sales go as EVERYONE wants/needs them. I can’t imagine that there wouldn’t be enough interest in these units to warrant their production.
What do YA’LL Think???
“Tall Paul”
I’m not saying that I wouldn’t buy them, but they’re a lower priority for me than (COMPLETE!) UK and French sets. (Can you tell that I really want to replace those blue Russians!) I use those grey risk “capitals” for large IC’s (which fit perfectly in with them, btw) so I’m comfortable with them for now. I don’t really use “bases” yet, but if I do HBG’s acrylic ones seem at least adequate to me (in some cases quite good, like their latest “flak tower” which impressed me.) All of these neutrals/ minors/ buildings/ early war sets are awesome, don’t get me wrong, but I still find it frustrating that we still don’t have the basics covered yet. I guess FMG was supposed to have handled the “basics” by now, but who knows what happened to them…
I agree, French pieces are needed (Free French and Vichy). Foreign Legion would be good too.
any news on if second edition1940 will have new french pieces?
any news on if second edition1940 will have new french pieces?
I just checked out some pics of 2nd edition '40… looks like it’s a no to new french units.
On the subject of 3-D air and naval bases, What I did for my Global game was buy little plastic anchor charms on eBay and glue them to infantry bases so they stand upright and for airbases I took cylindrical clothes pegs and cut them short and painted them up like hangars. If HBG wanted to borrow this idea and they could make sweet units like these with ridges in the hangars to look like corrugated steel like hangars. I’ll post pictures when I get home but you can check my blog under the painting section. Here’s the link.
http://dicetruction.blogspot.ca/2012/01/painting-accessories.html?m=0
It (STILL) seems to me that most everyone wants 3-D types of Air/Naval Bases, Etc. even if they aren’t their top priority. I only hope that SOMEBODY will oneday produce them. I predict that they would have GREAT SALES numbers when produced.
“Tall Paul”
Here’s a picture of the pieces we use, the monopoly house is for labs that develop tech.
I think these pieces would be easy and cheap to mold and sell and if anyone from HBG wants to use these ideas, as I said previously, go right ahead. The flat acrylic pieces are much better than the cardboard OOB junk but actual 3-D pieces are way cooler looking.
