• '22 '16

    I have read about people taking Brazil with ANZAC.  My question is what turn is the earliest you can do this?  By movement alone it takes 2 turns but I guess I am unclear what ANZACs status is regarding taking pro-allied territories.  Thanks.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Round 1 to SZ 66, Round 2 take Brazil.


  • @majikforce:

    but I guess I am unclear what ANZACs status is regarding taking pro-allied territories.  Thanks.

    ANZAC is an Ally, so ANZAC can claim Brazil during non-com just like any other ally.


  • when you achieve a NO, do you get the bonus IPC every turn?? (sorry if this question is already asked,i have only read the 1st page of this thread)

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    @Warplayer12:

    when you achieve a NO, do you get the bonus IPC every turn?? (sorry if this question is already asked,i have only read the 1st page of this thread)

    Each round you have your objective, you get the bonus income.  If you lose the objective and are unable to recliam it, then you lose the bonus income.

    Example:  America collects for the Contiguous 48 States each round until Japan or Germany or Italy is able to take C. USA, W. USA or E. USA and hold them for a full round of play. (Even then, if America is able to liberate the territory, then they get their objective back.)


  • @Warplayer12:

    when you achieve a NO, do you get the bonus IPC every turn?? (sorry if this question is already asked,i have only read the 1st page of this thread)

    Page 23 of the Europe manual, at the top of the page:

    “A power collects the indicated bonus IPCs during each of its Collect Income phases if the condition for that bonus has been met, unless otherwise specified.”

    By “condition for that bonus has been met”, it means met currently.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I think I am still waiting for a reply on if:

    1)  The United States attacks Argentina, thus making Mongolia pro-Axis.
    2)  Japan annexes part of Mongolia
    3)  Japan attacks Amur (which literally borders Mongolia, but it borders Mongolian states Japan is in current posession of.)

    What happens to the territories Japan controls?  (And any reinforcements they may have gotten?)
    Does this even trip the NO for Russia?
    What if the territories bordering the invasion lands are just pro-Axis and not controlled, what happens to the lands Japan is in control of?


    1. if somebody attacks a strict neutral, all the other strict neutrals join the other side.  i think we have to made a exception for Mongolia, which was a soviet puppet state from the 1920s until 1992
    2. you mean attacking?
    3. alpha 3 rule: If the Japanese attack any Soviet territory that is adjacent to any Mongolian territory , all Mongolian territories (Olgiy, Dzavhan, Tsagaan-Olom, Central Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar, and Buyant-Uhaa) are placed under the control of the Soviet Union at the end of the Japanese Combat Move phase, in the same manner as though the Soviet Union had moved land units into a friendly neutral territory. These territories have Soviet control markers placed on them, and their standing army units are placed on the board and are controlled by the Soviet Union player from then on. This occurs regardless of the state of relations between the Soviet Union and Japan at the time of the attack, with one exception. If the Soviet Union attacks any Japanese-controlled territory bordering these Mongolian territories while Mongolia is still neutral, Mongolia will remain neutral and not ally itself with the Soviet Union.

  • @Warplayer12:

    1. if somebody attacks a strict neutral, all the other strict neutrals join the other side.  i think we have to made a exception for Mongolia, which was a soviet puppet state from the 1920s until 1992
    2. you mean attacking?
    3. alpha 3 rule: If the Japanese attack any Soviet territory that is adjacent to any Mongolian territory , all Mongolian territories (Olgiy, Dzavhan, Tsagaan-Olom, Central Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar, and Buyant-Uhaa) are placed under the control of the Soviet Union at the end of the Japanese Combat Move phase, in the same manner as though the Soviet Union had moved land units into a friendly neutral territory. These territories have Soviet control markers placed on them, and their standing army units are placed on the board and are controlled by the Soviet Union player from then on. This occurs regardless of the state of relations between the Soviet Union and Japan at the time of the attack, with one exception. If the Soviet Union attacks any Japanese-controlled territory bordering these Mongolian territories while Mongolia is still neutral, Mongolia will remain neutral and not ally itself with the Soviet Union.

    she’s talking about 3 things happening in that order, 3 steps, not 3 seperate things.

    Jen, do you mean: what happens to the Mongolia rules after the Allies have attacked a true neutral?

    I think the logical thing would be that, once Mongolia has become pro-Axis (if they do), that they won’t change their mind when an ally attacks an enemy right next to them.  But that’s just my thought.


  • I asked Kreig about Mongolia here:
    http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=24408.msg865024#msg865024

    See replies #260 and #266 to my #259 and #262 questions

  • Official Q&A

    We’ve decided to make a slight adjustment to the Mongolia rules.  Mongolian territories will never become pro-Axis unless the USSR attacks one or more of them while they’re still neutral.


  • Sorry for the headaches.  I have a knack for finding tricky situations.  :-D

    Have you guys considered that by removing Mongolia from going pro axis(except for a direct attack by USSR), you give the allies an advantage when deciding whether to invade a true neutral? Spain has merits for the allies, now the axis only get switz, sweden, turkery+Saudi(now, the only headaches for the allies-if they don’t have a mid east presence by UK), Afghan, a couple in S.africa, and some in S.America (typically out of reach of the axis). . The axis still have to add the Mongolia effect when they consider.

    Mongolia would create a headache for China and USSR if Japan were contained, now that will no longer need to be considered. Outside of military reasons (position), income is also a factor. Turkey can be contested by a Mid East UK, so Sweden is the only one likely to remain in Axis hands. If effort and resources are diverted, all of S.America, portugal and Spain will likely be held by the USA. Without S.America it is 3 IPC vs 3 IPCs, with it becomes 9IPCs allies vs 3 IPCs axis.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    SpecFor is right, I was talking about a chain of events happening.

    Krieg, James makes a very valid point.  Either all neutrals go to the other side, or you need to get Larry to look at “blocks” of Neutrals again.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Should bring to the attention of everyone that the Russo-Japanese aggrement has, yet again, changed.  If Russia attacks any Japanese controlled territory bording Mongolia then Mongolia will NEVER join the Russians.  (Goodbye Manchuria attack!  Kansu liberation, etc.)

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    @Gamerman01:

    @majikforce:

    but I guess I am unclear what ANZACs status is regarding taking pro-allied territories.  Thanks.

    ANZAC is an Ally, so ANZAC can claim Brazil during non-com just like any other ally.

    I thought powers must be in a state of war in order to move into neutral territories.


  • @Young:

    @Gamerman01:

    @majikforce:

    but I guess I am unclear what ANZACs status is regarding taking pro-allied territories.  Thanks.

    ANZAC is an Ally, so ANZAC can claim Brazil during non-com just like any other ally.

    I thought powers must be in a state of war in order to move into neutral territories.

    Uh huh.  ANZAC is at war with Germany and Italy.  See page 34 of Europe manual.

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    Is it still a rule that everyone must look for and point out convoy disruptions?

  • Official Q&A

    Yes.

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    @Krieghund:

    Yes.

    Thanks Kevin, BTW I love the modifications on the SBR rules (“Bombers are back, baby”)

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    Hi Krieg,

    this may have been answered before, but it didn’t come up on the first 3 pages of searching so here it goes:

    lets say there is a Major IC that is damaged to the max of 20 points of damage.

    And then this IC is captured by another player, thereby being converted into a Minor IC.

    How much damage does this new Minor IC have on it?  20 or 6?

    Other clarifications:
    I can’t upgrade this minor on the same turn can I?  (assuming it is on original territory that i owned)

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