Political rules

I’m pretty sure that the Soviets can actually attack whenever they want, meaning that a Germany with a weak eastern front will have Russia that much closer to Berlin. Something tells me that Sealion could work, but at the cost of too much in the East meaning that Germany better take the UK and hope to god that Japan is diverting some US income away from the European side of things.

I’m betting the political rules are set where Russia and Germany, just like Russia and Japan, are not at war but can attack whenever they want. The only power that can not attack at the start will be the US. That is probably going to be the only way to counter a Sealion strategy.

To take the political rules in another direction for a moment…

I think there should be a “Free France” rule…that after Paris falls, France can choose one of its territories as a new capitol, and with the ability to collect IPC’s from all Free Franch/captured(by Free France) Axis territories, eventually saving enough to build a minor IC and more units.  If that new capitol territory is captured by the Axis, Free France is done other than the Free France units still on the map.

@maverick_76:

I’m pretty sure that the Soviets can actually attack whenever they want, meaning that a Germany with a weak eastern front will have Russia that much closer to Berlin. Something tells me that Sealion could work, but at the cost of too much in the East meaning that Germany better take the UK and hope to god that Japan is diverting some US income away from the European side of things.

I’m betting the political rules are set where Russia and Germany, just like Russia and Japan, are not at war but can attack whenever they want. The only power that can not attack at the start will be the US. That is probably going to be the only way to counter a Sealion strategy.

The USSR cannot attack a European Axis power for the first three rounds.

I’m thinking that if UK’s fall triggers global war dec, regardless if its G2 or G3, that should be enough as a disincentive for Germany to attempt Sealion.  Defending England from 80+ IPCs America while holding back the Reds with two full turns of built up units in Poland would be overwhelming for a German player, even with 4 major ICs chugging along.

AAE40 games the UK player might have to resign himself to always falling G2 or G3 to a determined (and lucky!) German player, but being rescued by the US on Round 3 or 4.  I mean, look at how long the French player has to sit out the game…

There probably will be an Allied bid simply because the RAF is so exposed at game start.

@UN:

The USSR cannot attack a European Axis power for the first three rounds.

Is that a 100% fact?

@SgtBlitz:

I’m thinking that if UK’s fall triggers global war dec, regardless if its G2 or G3, that should be enough as a disincentive for Germany to attempt Sealion.  Defending England from 80+ IPCs America while holding back the Reds with two full turns of built up units in Poland would be overwhelming for a German player, even with 4 major ICs chugging along.

AAE40 games the UK player might have to resign himself to always falling G2 or G3 to a determined (and lucky!) German player, but being rescued by the US on Round 3 or 4.  I mean, look at how long the French player has to sit out the game…

There probably will be an Allied bid simply because the RAF is so exposed at game start.

Dude, this nuts! How can we expect the UK to fall on turn 1 or 2? It is practically inconcievable to me… as you can by now tell. To me it would screw the game because Germany can build 10 units there on turn 3, plus reinforce it with whatever he has on the board. He will also have a sizable navy… Good luck to the US in taking back England!

As for Russia not being able to attack European Axis for 3 turns… I have heard this statement before, so I can only assume it is true. However I think that the USSR having to wait that long is garbage. They should only have to wait 2 turns… or be able to attack Germany whenever they want. It seems more historical that way (waiting only 2 turns), because they should have to wait less time than the US to enter the war (providing neither was attacked).

As for Russia not being able to attack European Axis for 3 turns… I have heard this statement before, so I can only assume it is true. However I think that the USSR having to wait that long is garbage.

It seems ( w/o knowing all the facts) that this German gambit against UK is just like the idea of Japan attacking US/ UK on J1.

Germany uses the Soviet peace to take out UK, then swing against Russia with no UK in a position to stop them. Here we go again?

Perhaps the Russians could choose to roll a dice after turn 1 and if they get a certain number they can declare war.

Say start of their turn 2: 5 or 6
turn 3: 3-6
Turn 4 automatic

This would force the German player to be prepared for a turn 2 or three assualt by Russian forces that would probably cost them Eastern Europe before they could turn around.  It would also make each game potentially different which makes some people upset but hey the entire game is decided by dice, so it might make a good house rule.

@Imperious:

As for Russia not being able to attack European Axis for 3 turns… I have heard this statement before, so I can only assume it is true. However I think that the USSR having to wait that long is garbage.

yea i was thinking that too
It seems ( w/o knowing all the facts) that this German gambit against UK is just like the idea of Japan attacking US/ UK on J1.

Germany uses the Soviet peace to take out UK, then swing against Russia with no UK in a position to stop them. Here we go again?

yea that is what i was thinking

What time frame is one full turn(Germany to France) supposed to cover?  Half year?  Quarter?  One month?

@miamibeach:

What time frame is one full turn(Germany to France) supposed to cover?  Half year?  Quarter?  One month?

I always made one turn equal 1 season.

So like example Spring 1942, turn 6 would be Summer 1943.

@miamibeach:

What time frame is one full turn(Germany to France) supposed to cover?  Half year?  Quarter?  One month?

I was told it represents 6 months… though that seems only slightly long when you assess how far (or not far) units are moving and attacking. Maybe in a global sense it is a bit more believable.

@maverick_76:

@UN:

The USSR cannot attack a European Axis power for the first three rounds.

Is that a 100% fact?

I would seriously give you the source in an instant, but I cannot find it. I know, just know, I heard it from somewhere–-either from Krieg or from Larry on his website.

I think I saw somewhere that one full turn is 6 months.  If thats true, some of our games have gone into the 1960’s.

Anyway, this game has to have some sort of semblance to history.  USSR should not be allowed to attack Germany prior to 1942.  Not only did the two countries have a deal that included trade, but Stalin thought he and Hitler would be allied for some time.  It came as a total shock to Stalin when he was told about the German invasion and he refused to believe it for some time.

If you want to make the USSR entry variable, fine, but the first three turns at a minimum Germany should be free of any USSR attack…which defeats the concept of putting more pressure on Germany.

The simple most solution is to change the at start forces even just a little.  Please keep this game at least semi-historical.

What is really crap is how little the UK starts with in their capitol.  You figure if they are already AT WAR with germany, they would keep themselves actually PROTECTED!
Honestly I would rather have one less destroyer for 3 more infantry in the UK.

Per LH

However, it is important to point out that Russia cannot attack a Euro Axis until its turn 4. This is not to say that it can’t be at war with the Euro Axis before that moment. That depends on whether or not they are attacked by them.

However, it is important to point out that Russia cannot attack a Euro Axis until its turn 4.

Germany has at least 2 turns if unlimited fun in Europe?  I see problems looming from this. And if Russia collect’s less than full income it might be another situation where axis attack them sooner like Japan does against the allies.

Germany takes out UK on G1 and France on G2 and attacks Russia on turn 3?

Ah, four turns until it can’t attack. That’s even better!

This is the same as in the Pacific where USA can’t attack Japan unless provoked for three turns. So I don’t see the problem. The political rules seem fairly historic to me.

From what I read from the Sealion thread elsewhere on this forum, it by sure means is no guarantee that Germany can take and hold UK. It requires a lot of luck (assuming top German and UK players who know what they are doing) and winning maybe 2 or 3 50% battles in a row.
I compare these kind of tactics to attacking Karelia on G1 in the old A&A 2nd and 3rd edition game (some of you probably never heard of that one…). Germany could attack Karelia, but if they lost it was game over and if they won it was game over as well. Not much fun in these kind of games now is there???

However, if it proves that a Sealion attack could reach 70-75% chance to win by optimizing it the game is definitely broken and some inf should be added to the UK. But let’s wait a few games first.

I said two turns because on turn G3 they need to regroup at the border, so thats not really a combat turn.