European (global) National Objectives as revealed by Larry so far

I know person expierence with German subs too but with that NO 1 starting german sub will probably be at large for most the game rather than used in somesort of attack.

@Admiral:

The soviet union’s NO is amazing, the German’s NO might want to make the soviets attack early

There should be a rule against Russia declaring war on Germany.

i really like the uk objective, but wish they would have put a caveat in there. germany could sneak a sub into a far flung location and still deny the objective.

i guess germany’s objective means that the ussr can not declare war untill germany has first(limitation is probably lifted on round 3 like usa)

at first i thought russias objective was extremely powerful, but then remembered that the game starts in 1940, so there will not be many original g territories and they will be very far away from ussr.

@Brain:

@Admiral:

The soviet union’s NO is amazing, the German’s NO might want to make the soviets attack early

There should be a rule against Russia declaring war on Germany.

I disagree. They were both evil and treacherous governments and should be presented as so.  :wink:

@allweneedislove:

i really like the uk objective, but wish they would have put a caveat in there. germany could sneak a sub into a far flung location and still deny the objective.

i guess germany’s objective means that the ussr can not declare war untill germany has first(limitation is probably lifted on round 3 like usa)

at first i thought russias objective was extremely powerful, but then remembered that the game starts in 1940, so there will not be many original g territories and they will be very far away from ussr.

Plus, it will be almost impossible to get. As soon as that beastly bonus begins to occur, Japan will be in weakly defended Siberia in no time. I don’t even really no why that’s included (although there could be more to the picture obviously) b/c if Russia is ever able to get that bonus the war will already be over b/c Japan obviously won’t have anybody on the mainland and Germany will be loosing as well. That’s kind of disappointing to me.

@The:

@Brain:

@Admiral:

The soviet union’s NO is amazing, the German’s NO might want to make the soviets attack early

There should be a rule against Russia declaring war on Germany.

I disagree. They were both evil and treacherous governments and should be presented as so.  :wink:

laughs

Well, I heard Stalin did have a plan to invade, but it wouldn’t come for quite awhile, somewhere in 1942 - 1943. (?) By 1940, he was just recovering from his Purges and his military was in shambles.

Remember, at this time both Germany and the Soviet Union had a non-aggression pact, and since the Soviets weren’t in the position to make any sort of incursion (against Germany), I can see rules similar to that of the U.S in the Pacific.

Sweat were did you see these.

it’s also all listed in the 1940 Europe/Pacific factpage in the 1940Pacific thread

the uk one about the submarines makes sure that everyone will be sending a dumb sub south then moving it every turn to evade everyone…. make the allies come get it somewhere south west of argentina

the soviet one is kind of dumb, requiring that there are no axis in any soviet original territory means you will only get this NO after you have already won the game

the german one is kind of cool

This is what I think it should say:

Germany
Representing the trade of Oil and Grain between the two nations during 1940.
5 IPCs while the Soviet Union is Neutral and will remain neutral until attacked

@oztea:

Larry also revealed an Italian NO
5 IPCs so long as no allied surface warships are in the mediteranian

this one might be a lot harder this time around

That might be darn near impossible after the first round.

I love the new NO’s.

They are simple to remember and make sense.

@Razor:

I love the new NO’s.

They are simple to remember and make sense.

Simple is great. I hate having to check the manual to see if have any of the territories I need.

In fact soviet NO has more sense that seems … if USA goes the fossile way and tries ignore Japan, Japan will take Siberia and allies will not benefit the big soviet NO as they do in AA50. Also, it prevents a gamey Germany leave Poland ungarrisoned or traded to try a early Sea Lion

Those are few NOs however, I guess there will be more

Setup will be key here: if is well playtested, this game will be perfect. If not, it can be an utter failure

@Funcioneta:

In fact soviet NO has more sense that seems … if USA goes the fossile way and tries ignore Japan, Japan will take Siberia and allies will not benefit the big soviet NO as they do in AA50. Also, it prevents a gamey Germany leave Poland ungarrisoned or traded to try a early Sea Lion

Those are few NOs however, I guess there will be more

Setup will be key here: if is well playtested, this game will be perfect. If not, it can be an utter failure

And will be corrected with the bid system.

UK Bonus- Awesome.  Creates a little cat and mouse game in the Atlantic between German subs and the UK destroyers.  Sure, Germany can try to “hide” a sub somewhere but with naval bases now that’s not going to be easy.  Any rule that soothes the tendency for giant naval arms races in favor of small skirmishes a good rule IMO.

USSR Bonus- Pretty good, a lot like the American one in Pacific.  It will make the game end faster once the writing is on the wall, +1 tank per German territory.

German Bonus- Almost as good as the UK bonus.  A little bit of decision making on the part of Germany thrown in, the Russian loot pinata will have to outweigh the bonus to justify Barbarossa.

I wonder how many turns Russia will have to wait to declare war if Germany decides not to attack.

@Brain:

I wonder how many turns Russia will have to wait to declare war if Germany decides not to attack.

@Larry:

However, it is important to point out that Russia cannot attack a Euro Axis until its turn 4. This is not to say that it can’t be at war with the Euro Axis before that moment. That depends on whether or not they are attacked by them.…

That’s a quote from Larry from the Fact Sheet thread.  Looks like they have to wait at least 4 turns, and they’ll get the most complicated political rules of any of the A&A countries.

When Russia are about to start getting their bonus Japan will just have to take 1 territory in Russia and it ruins it.

Also, Italy’s NOs could inlude-

Gibrulta+Malta
No allied ships
Middle East
Egypt