Northern Ireland

[DiscoKnekt]

Just to ceheck, is northern Ireland a part och Scotland and therefore you can move a land unit from Eire to Scotland?

Whould it be to change the game to much if Eire was just Eire and was really an Island? Updating my map in PS! :)

[Der Kuenstler]

I recently did exactly that to my map - that little piece of Scotland on Ireland made it so the Axis could attack Scotland by land if they took Ireland - unrealistic as there is 20 miles of water still to cross to get over there. For gameplay purposes it makes good sense to have the whole island belong to Eire. Â

[DiscoKnekt]

Thanks, i will do the same! How did you draw the border from Ireland to UK mainland? If it meets the border between Scotland and UK it means that you cant go from Scotland to SZ 109 which you can on original map. Or did you draw it to meet only the Scotish coastline so Scotland still borders SZ 109 by the Irish sea?

[Der Kuenstler]

Well, my map is custom - I took out Scotland as I wanted more room for the UK capital and also more defense for the UK - only one land zone to defend - but Ireland is separated like this:

I know it was historically called Eire but I got tired of the guys looking at it blankly and trying to pronounce it.

[DessertFox599]

Ok, sort of unrelated, but how do you customize maps?

[CWO Marc]

The OOB map is definitely wrong to label the beige northeast corner of the island of Ireland as being part of Scotland – a gaffe that probably annoys the Scots as much as the Irish – and I also find that the map confuses things further by putting a British roundel on top of the straight that separates Ireland from Scotland, thus creating the impression that they are part of a single land mass.  So in that respect, Der Kunstler’s customization is quite helpful.  I think a further improvement would be to modify Ireland (which DK correctly shows to be an island) to make it look the way the Iberian Peninsula is depicted on the map: much of it consisting of Spain, which is one of the three types of neutrals in the game, but with a British enclave (Gibraltar) in one corner of its territory.  “Ireland” is the name of the island as a whole; Eire is the name of the pro-Allied neutral Irish Republic that comprises most (but not all) of the island; and the British northeast corner of the island is called Northern Ireland.  That would be strictly speaking the most historically accurate treatment – though not necessarily the optimal treatment in terms of game simplicity.

[Der Kuenstler]

@DessertFox599:

Ok, sort of unrelated, but how do you customize maps?

I customized mine by downloading one of Imperious Leader’s maps and using Photoshop, with his permission. Then you can take it to a printer and have them print it.

[Der Kuenstler]

@CWO:

The OOB map is definitely wrong to label the beige northeast corner of the island of Ireland as being part of Scotland – a gaffe that probably annoys the Scots as much as the Irish – and I also find that the map confuses things further by putting a British roundel on top of the straight that separates Ireland from Scotland, thus creating the impression that they are part of a single land mass.  So in that respect, Der Kunstler’s customization is quite helpful.  I think a further improvement would be to modify Ireland (which DK correctly shows to be an island) to make it look the way the Iberian Peninsula is depicted on the map: much of it consisting of Spain, which is one of the three types of neutrals in the game, but with a British enclave (Gibraltar) in one corner of its territory.  “Ireland” is the name of the island as a whole; Eire is the name of the pro-Allied neutral Irish Republic that comprises most (but not all) of the island; and the British northeast corner of the island is called Northern Ireland.  That would be strictly speaking the most historically accurate treatment – though not necessarily the optimal treatment in terms of game simplicity.

Thanks for the proper info on that - IMO Northern Island is so small that for gameplay purposes it causes more problems to have there than it solves.

[DiscoKnekt]

@Der:

@CWO:

The OOB map is definitely wrong to label the beige northeast corner of the island of Ireland as being part of Scotland – a gaffe that probably annoys the Scots as much as the Irish – and I also find that the map confuses things further by putting a British roundel on top of the straight that separates Ireland from Scotland, thus creating the impression that they are part of a single land mass.  So in that respect, Der Kunstler’s customization is quite helpful.  I think a further improvement would be to modify Ireland (which DK correctly shows to be an island) to make it look the way the Iberian Peninsula is depicted on the map: much of it consisting of Spain, which is one of the three types of neutrals in the game, but with a British enclave (Gibraltar) in one corner of its territory.  “Ireland” is the name of the island as a whole; Eire is the name of the pro-Allied neutral Irish Republic that comprises most (but not all) of the island; and the British northeast corner of the island is called Northern Ireland.  That would be strictly speaking the most historically accurate treatment – though not necessarily the optimal treatment in terms of game simplicity.

Thanks for the proper info on that - IMO Northern Island is so small that for gameplay purposes it causes more problems to have there than it solves.

I agree with that, dont really see the strategic value for gameplay purposes either with a Northern Ireland. Tho i really think Scotland plays a role and i will keep it! :) What do you guys think of the SZ border if Ireland is a single neutral territory island? Should the SZ border meet with the Scotish/UK land border or just meet the Scotish border so you can go from SZ 109 to Scotland?

[General Veers]

On top of that it is silly to have the territory comprising of England and Wales be called “United Kingdom.” They could have just called it England (sorry Welsh).

[DiscoKnekt]

This is how i made it, I think it will work ok! :)

[Der Kuenstler]

Hmmm…I can’t see it - there’s just a black “X” there…

[DiscoKnekt]

Sorry, bad link, fixed it! :)

[Der Kuenstler]

Looks great!