Should the US continue to build Supercarriers?


  • @LHoffman:

    Oh, don’t get me wrong. This whole thing is a farce.

    Don’t worry – I took the proposal with same degree of seriousness as you made it.  :-)  I actually got a great laugh out of it.

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    @CWO:

    @LHoffman:

    Oh, don’t get me wrong. This whole thing is a farce.

    Don’t worry – I took the proposal with same degree of seriousness as you made it.   :-)   I actually got a great laugh out of it.

    That was my intent. Hard to judge its effects on the internet unfortunately.

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    What? You guys weren’t serious!

    I want that Supa-carrier in my back yard damnit!  We can call her “Artic Storm” leave her up north to fight Putin, and make er half out-o-ice!

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    I know how we can pay for it!!!

    Next Olympics hosted in Canada, or in USA, we build the carrier instead of an “Olympic village”, way up in the artic, and play the games on the carrier/Alaska.

    No one misses a few billion after the games, and we get a carrier to show for it!

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    @Gargantua:

    What? You guys weren’t serious!

    I want that Supa-carrier in my back yard damnit!  We can call her “Artic Storm” leave her up north to fight Putin, and make er half out-o-ice!

    Reminds me of the Project Habakkuk images I still see on the sides of UHaul trucks (part of a regional trivia program I guess) all time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk

    I loved reading about Lord Mountbatten’s demonstration of pykrete (wood pulp and ice), that was a badass moment.

    I also had no idea Geoffrey Pyke was a real-life Q.

    Also I’ve always advocated for having more sporting events on aircraft carriers, inspired by the early season college basketball tournaments. I’ve always wanted for the Jets to have a season where they play their home games on a super carrier, and treat all the fans in the NYC metropolitan area to games, from the tip of Long Island at Montauk to the Jersey Shore.

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    @Gargantua:

    I know how we can pay for it!!!

    Next Olympics hosted in Canada, or in USA, we build the carrier instead of an “Olympic village”, way up in the artic, and play the games on the carrier/Alaska.

    No one misses a few billion after the games, and we get a carrier to show for it!

    The latest and greatest Gerald R Ford carrier class is only 12 Billion, and the preceeding Nimitz class was only 4.5 Billion.

    Vancouver Olympics cost $6.4 Billion…

    Turns out I wasn’t too far off the mark!  Sometime this century people!


  • @CWO:

    @MightyChris:

    Ok, fair points Marc. How would they feel about some 688s fast attack subs, being replaced by the Virginia class boats?�Â

    I’m sure our submariners would love to get their hands on a 688/Los Angeles-class SSN, like the one featured in The Hunt for Red October.  A team of documentary filmmakers once accompanied the Canadian crew which brought over to Canada one of those diesel-electric boat we bought from Britain, and the film they made showed the off-duty crewmembers enjoying a nightly movie.  Their favourites?  Das Boot and The Hunt for Red October.

    The problem, as with all military procurement, would be to find the money to pay for a couple of SSNs, which aren’t cheap boats.  Especially if they come with a decent warranty, and not too many miles on the dashboard.

    We’d cut you a good deal.  Not like we’re going to do anything with them, other than turn them into tourist attractions or scrap metal.


  • @Gargantua:

    @Gargantua:

    I know how we can pay for it!!!

    Next Olympics hosted in Canada, or in USA, we build the carrier instead of an “Olympic village”, way up in the artic, and play the games on the carrier/Alaska.

    No one misses a few billion after the games, and we get a carrier to show for it!

    The latest and greatest Gerald R Ford carrier class is only 12 Billion, and the preceeding Nimitz class was only 4.5 Billion.

    Vancouver Olympics cost $6.4 Billion…

    Turns out I wasn’t too far off the mark!  Sometime this century people!

    Agree.  Faster, please… Even if it is just 8 688s… do you how useful those would be in the Northern Pacific?  Or Atlantic?  Just 8 more boats… damn…

  • '18 '17 '16 '15 Customizer

    This discussion reminded me of an email that someone sent me a while back. Some of you may have seen this before. I thought it was pretty funny so I will share. It may be construed as political, but at this point it is more historical comedy.

    The New Nimitz-class Aircraft Carrier USS Ronald Reagan CVN-76

    _Seeing it next to the Arizona Memorial really puts its size into perspective.

    Also notice the respect that the crew gives the Arizona Memorial  when passing it.

    When the Bridge pipes “Man the Rail”, there is a lot of rail to man on this monster: shoulder to shoulder, around 4.5 acres.  Her displacement is about 100,000 tons with full complement.

    Capability
    �         Top  speed exceeds 30 knots, powered by two nuclear reactors that can operate  for more than 20 years without refueling    
    �         Expected to operate in the fleet for about 50 years      
    �         Carries over 80 combat aircraft  
    �         Three arresting cables can stop a 28-ton aircraft going 150  miles per hour in less than 400 feet
    Size  
    �         Towers  20 stories above the waterline    
    �         1092 feet long; nearly as long as the Empire State Building is tall    
    �         Flight deck covers 4.5 acres    
    �         4  bronze propellers, each 21 feet across, weighing 66,200  pounds      
    �         2  rudders, each 29 by 22 feet and weighing 50 tons      
    �         4 high speed aircraft elevators, each over 4,000 square feet  
    Dates    
    �         Dec 8, 1994 Contract awarded to Newport News Shipbuilding    
    �         Feb 12, 1998 Keel laid      
    �         Oct 1, 2000 Pre-commissioning Unit established    
    �         March 4, 2001 Christened by Mrs. Nancy Reagan      
    �         May 5, 2003 First underway      
    �         July 12, 2003 Commissioned      
    �         July 23, 2004 Arrived at home port in San Diego, CA    
    Capacity    
    �         Home to about 6,000 Navy personnel    
    �         Carries enough food and supplies to operate for 90 days  
    �         18,150  meals served daily      
    �         Distillation plants provide 400,000 gallons of fresh water from sea water daily, enough for 2000 homes      
    �         Nearly 30,000 light fixtures and 1,325 miles of cable and wiring 1,400 telephones  
    �         14,000 pillowcases and 28,000 sheets    
    �         Costs the Navy approximately $250,000 per day for pier side operation    
    �         Costs the Navy approximately $2.5 million per day for underway operations (sailor’s  salaries included)._

    US  Navy welcomes the USS Bill  Clinton

    Sunday July 2nd '06 Vancouver,  BC,  Headed for Seattle, WA.
    The US Navy welcomed the latest member of its fleet today.

    The USS William Jefferson Clinton (CVS1) (pictured above) set sail today from its home port of Vancouver, BC.

    _The ship is the first of its kind in the Navy, and is a standing legacy to President Bill Clinton “for his foresight in military budget cuts”, and his conduct while president.  The ship is constructed nearly entirely from recycled aluminum and is completely solar powered with a top speed of 5 knots. It boasts an arsenal comprised of one (unarmed) F14 Tomcat or one (unarmed) F18 Hornet aircraft which although they cannot be launched or captured on the 100 foot flight deck, form a very menacing presence.

    As a standing order, there are no firearms allowed on board. The 20 person crew is completely diversified, including members of all races, creeds, genders, and sexual orientation. This crew, like the crew aboard the USS Jimmy Carter, is specially trained to avoid conflicts and appease any and all enemies of the United States at all costs.

    An onboard Type One DNC Universal Translator can send out messages of apology in any language to anyone who may find America offensive. The number of apologies are limitless and though some may sound hollow and disingenuous, the Navy advises all apologies will sound very sincere.

    The ship’s purpose is not defined so much as a unit of national defense, but instead in times of conflict the USS Clinton has orders to seek refuge in Canada. One of he ship’s primary roles includes routine photo ops. It is largely rumored that the ship will also be the set for the upcoming season of MTV’s “The Real World.”_

    The ship was renamed and commissioned  USS William J. Clinton when someone realized the  USS Blowfish was already taken.


  • Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where the family has to be evacuated out of Australia, and the Navy sends the USS Walter Mondale.  The Simpsons blink at the Navy officer, clearly not recognizing the name of the ship.  “It’s a laundry ship,” the officer says, dejectedly.


  • @LHoffman:

    It may be construed as political, but at this point it is more historical comedy.

    “Political satire” would be a good characterization.  The US Navy only rarely names ships after living persons; Reagan was an exception, but Clinton wasn’t.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._military_vessels_named_after_living_Americans

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