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Having to live with someone like that makes it not funny.
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Knowing people like that (and being good friends with a couple) makes it hilarious, to me… but I’m agreeing with Janus on this one (though, not being part of a minority in any way, it’d be hard to insult me with a joke, unless it was personal :P).
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Knowing people like that (and being good friends with a couple) makes it hilarious, to me… but I’m agreeing with Janus on this one (though, not being part of a minority in any way, it’d be hard to insult me with a joke, unless it was personal :P).
i’m not so personally offended. Well, i guess as a clinician my sensibilities are a wee bit - i mean couldn’t the people at least aim to be mildly accurate?
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Heh, fair enough :P. But still, for a stupid joke, close enough… ;)
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didnt find them offensive, just plain not funny. <shrug>. a joke to me is only offensive if it is intended to be, if you catch my meaning. now, other people are certainly different, but if you make, say, an italian joke about me (im italian) that is done jovially and intended simply as a joke, i may or may not find it funny, but i wont take offense. if someone who hates italian people makes an italian joke to be derrogatory and insulting, it may be the same joke, but then i will take offense (and that will generally mean i will form a negative impression of that person, i probably wont do anything unless it is continuous). i think people need to lighten up. understand the source and intent of the joke, and if its not meant to be inflammatory or derrogatory, dont take it as such. jokes are jokes.</shrug>
See, this I can understand. Why anyone would be offended - especially if they don’t have the disorders - is beyond me. However, just not appreciating the joke because you don’t find it humorous is fine. Not everyone has the same sense humor, ya know.
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especially if they don’t have the disorders
that has nothing to do with it. the point is, if you made the joke to be malicious, derrogatory, and inflammatory, then it would be offensive, whether anyone here had/knew someone who had the disorder or not. if its meant to be a joke, then if someone is offended, they are too sensitive IMO. though, i will say that if someone has a family dying of cancer, for instance, while a cancer joke wouldnt be offensive, it might be in bad taste, if you dont want to upset the person.
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didnt find them offensive, just plain not funny. <shrug>. a joke to me is only offensive if it is intended to be, if you catch my meaning. now, other people are certainly different, but if you make, say, an italian joke about me (im italian) that is done jovially and intended simply as a joke, i may or may not find it funny, but i wont take offense. if someone who hates italian people makes an italian joke to be derrogatory and insulting, it may be the same joke, but then i will take offense (and that will generally mean i will form a negative impression of that person, i probably wont do anything unless it is continuous). i think people need to lighten up. understand the source and intent of the joke, and if its not meant to be inflammatory or derrogatory, dont take it as such. jokes are jokes.</shrug>
See, this I can understand. Why anyone would be offended - especially if they don’t have the disorders - is beyond me. However, just not appreciating the joke because you don’t find it humorous is fine. Not everyone has the same sense humor, ya know.
Its just like i said. A joke about a cripple or cancer patient can be funny to a certain type of person. As someone who treats people with cancer and psychiatric conditions, i find these jokes in exceedingly bad taste.
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Perhaps some of you are just a little to PR conscious? Sometimes you just need to read things with some humor. Heck, I laugh at stupid rooskie jokes. /shrug.
its not that i was offended, i have ADHD and OCD (i think everyone has OCD to some level, i just call them pet pives) i can laugh about it and most other things that can go wrong with a human, im the heartless bastard that will laugh at a car crash. so no ofence taken, its just not that funny.
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if its meant to be a joke, then if someone is offended, they are too sensitive IMO.
Why is the receiving side “too sensitive”? Why isn’t the “joking” side too insensitive?
What about this joke:
“My uncle died on 9-11 in the two towers ….
I hope he finished his prayers before he steered the plane into the building.”… too sensitive?
(BTW: this is the adaption of a german “joke”: “my granddad died in the concentration camps … he was drunk and fell of a guardian tower” which i find is as un-funny as the above. It is just to make the point about “sensitivities”)
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@F_alk:
if its meant to be a joke, then if someone is offended, they are too sensitive IMO.
Why is the receiving side “too sensitive”? Why isn’t the “joking” side too insensitive?
What about this joke:
“My uncle died on 9-11 in the two towers ….
I hope he finished his prayers before he steered the plane into the building.”… too sensitive?
(BTW: this is the adaption of a german “joke”: “my granddad died in the concentration camps … he was drunk and fell of a guardian tower” which i find is as un-funny as the above. It is just to make the point about “sensitivities”)
Personally I don’t think either of those are funny - but I’m not going to call you a Nazi or a Terrorist because you printed them. I’m not hyper sensitive like that.
And by the way, I agree (Konings) that most people have ADHD and OCD at some level. I think the “disease” (or whatever you call it) comes into effect when it gets so bad you cannot function in daily life. For instance “Mr. Monk” is OCD to the extreme, however he can still function as a detective and live his life - thus he really doesn’t have a disease - he’s just REALLY particular.
And yes, I’m very particular myself - especially about keeping my stuff organized and clean. And when it comes to TV I’m totally ADHD - I can’t watch the same program for more then 5-7 minutes without changing the channel, leaving, playing with a toy, making dinner, or whatever.
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Personally I don’t think either of those are funny - but I’m not going to call you a Nazi or a Terrorist because you printed them. I’m not hyper sensitive like that.
gosh.
Now … read again what i wrote after the “BTW:”… then read again your reply here. Then start to think.
Next time i would prefer that you (a) read my entire post, then (b) start to think about it before you © decide wether and more importantly what to reply. -
Falk:
- did you read what i said in my last post, regarding a joke about cancer patients? the same applies to your example. I still dont think there is such a thing as an offensive joke (if its derragatory or inflammatory, the characteristics that make it offensive, IMO, i dont consider it a joke). there is such a thing as tact, and it might not be prudent to make a 9/11 joke around someone who was affected by 9/11, or who is sensitive about such things, but the joke would not be offensive, just a bad idea.
- i find both jokes you mentioned funny. my roommate is an irish/italian catholic arab from Mass, he tells the 9/11 joke all the time. if you dont find it funny, thats fine, but i dont care if you think im heartless or horrible or anything because of that, because i think you are overly sensitive. a joke is a joke. if its meant to be funny and not derragatory, than either laugh or dont laugh, dont cry foul.
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The thing is, Janus, that these “jokes” are meant to make fun of people with a given condition. I have seen people who are EXTREMELY (caps used for a reason) debilitated by these conditions. Making jokes of this - regardless of intent - is offensive, as it makes fun of these people, not simply a nebulous condition.
Or perhaps you do not believe that poking fun at another person’s expense is “offensive” in which case we have a different range in which this term falls.
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- … I still dont think there is such a thing as an offensive joke … there is such a thing as tact, …
I think tactlessness and offensiveness are much closer than you put them.
Especially “jokes” are very well suited to camouflage hatred, jealousy, racism, sexism, nationalism etc. Yet, they still deliver exactly these things and the sentiments. Look, EJ made lots of “jokes” on dying frenchmen. “Haha … funny… i will laugh when the images of dying USamericans remind me of his jokes” ?(that was not serious, but another way to deliver the same sentiments in a “harmless” or even “objective” way) -
let me put it this way. i have numerous friends who are black, gay, and jewish (not all three at once). these three minorities are the subject of a lot of hatred, racism, and bigotry. but all of my friends who are of these minorities will not be offended by, and will often laugh at so-called “racist jokes” like the difference between a black man and a pizza, a jew and a pizza, etc. if i tell a black, gay, or jewish joke, i mean it as a joke, nothing more. my friends understand this, and either laugh or not, whether they find it funny. if im in a room full of strangers, who happen to be black, jewish, or gay, im not going to start telling “racist jokes” because i dont know the crowd, and its possible someone will be offended, which i dont want to happen. thats tact. but i think for someone to be offended by it is oversensitivity. in this situation, i forgive this, and hold my tongue, because i dont know them and they dont know me, so for all they know, i could be a racist trying to be inflammatory. my tone should clearly give me away as just a joker, but you cant rely on that. so here, i look past what i consider over-sensitivity because of the situation. same thing with one of my friends, who happens to be black, and has a mother who died from cancer. a black joke wont bother him, nor a gay joke (most of us suspect, but dont know for sure that he is gay), but a cancer joke will. so i dont tell cancer jokes. i look past this “over-sensitivity” because i think its less that he is offended but that it reminds him of his mother, which upsets him, and as a friend, i dont want to upset him.
but jokes are jokes people. how come a black comic can go up and tell racist jokes, but if a white comic does it, its “edgy” or “taboo”? some of the jokes some black comedians like chris rock tell, if a white boy said them, hed be called racist. come one. its racist if whitey says it, but not a black guy? a joke is a joke. this is what i mean when i talk about offensive, and overly sensitive.
CC: i dont consider the jokes offensive. i didnt find them funny, and clearly neither do you. to you, they are in bad taste because you see the condition every day, or often at least. but i dont find it offensive. time and place, certainly, and you need to know your audience before you make a potentially controversial joke, but a joke is not racism, bigotry, hatred, or anything else if it is told with good intent.
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Merry Christmas, again.
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Wow Jen…what a can of worms you opened here.
I personally did not find them offensive, some even made me chuckle. For all those who were offended, do you also have a problem with the show “Monk”? Most people find it humorous and Tony Shalhoub has won the emmy for the last 3 years.
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dont be offended who ever is. the question is who is the bigger ass, the person who didnt mean to offend but inadvertantly does, or the person who goes out of their way to tell someone “hey, i dont like that, and i’m offended” why should the other person even care if you are offended or not. i wouldnt, i would say they chose to be offended, so let them be. and let them sniffle too.
i thought they were good jen.
so, did you know hitler didnt drink vodka. He said it made him mean. :wink:
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Making fun of people who cannot defend themselves is not funny. It is cowardly.
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here is something inspired. If you thought the holy tortilla was a sign of god or the holy bean burrito or the holy toast, or the holy fruit, or the holy whatever. this is the greatest sign that god exists.
dog bless you.
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