If i could make a suggestion, it sounds like you’re doing well, something to think about is what to do with the rest of UK. It can’t capture territories on the Europe board, and therefore isn’t going to be a help in liberating the homeland. I’d suggest India produce just enough troops to defend their holdings and perhaps SE Asia(although ANZAC should be defending here), after that it becomes a race to try and get as many british units into Moscow as possible. An Arm/Mech/ftr is 20ipcs, and should arrive in time to defend the gates of moscow.
Sea Lion worth it?
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Good post from Jenn - I agree with her on this
I have never lost as Allies when G attempts Sea Lion
We are getting to the point where we invite a Sea Lion attempt
If you don’t pressure Russia, Russia will kick your butt. Especially now with the 3 IPC NO per territory, which was another change as of Alpha2/3 somewhere in there.Jenn is right, there was an overreaction to complaints that Sea lion was too easy, and now it’s rarely rewarding, which leads to more 1-dimensional Axis strats
Dog pile Russia. If the Allies don’t lose, they win. If the Allies don’t lose Russia, they will almost always win. There are exceptions, of course.
To answer the question of the thread “Sea Lion worth it?” I would say, yes, when UK has a lot of money to plunder and you can take it fairly cheaply (without losing your entire fleet to Allied strike after taking) and/or you can take it and hold it at least for awhile.
I would not attempt Sea Lion with less than about 80-90% odds and also a very high chance of losing only a couple of aircraft. If you’re looking at a 60% chance of taking London with 1 tank and losing most or all of the Luftwaffe - no way.
You don’t win G40 2nd edition just because you successfully took London.
Again, I have never lost after losing London. It’s best to go full bore after Russia, because Moscow is the biggest threat to the Axis win.
Like I said, I agree with Jenn on this.
Show me a game where the Axis win after taking London first (in the first 5 or so rounds) and I will show you an Allied player who didn’t do his job, or got horribly diced, or both. A good Russian player will be licking his chops when he sees the Germans attack London, and should absolutely mop up (assuming London is reasonably defended and G loses most ground units and several air craft, which they almost always will)New rules that make Sea Lion less rewarding since OOB, Alpha1 version -
Russia AND USA immediately enter the war if London falls
No more NO for London for Germany
AAs can be taken as casualties and UK gets 5
Transport in 113 moved out of range to 114
UK can scramble 3 aircraft from Scotland and UK (for those who don’t remember, weren’t aware, you could not scramble from the UK or Scotland at all, OOB)
Russia gets 3 IPC NO for every single original Axis, pro-Axis Europe/Africa territory (this is a pretty serious deterrent)And there are probably more
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If Russia is not dead, the only way I see (looking at the board) for the Axis to win, realistically, is with Japan. Not saying you CANNOT win if Russia is still holding it’s capitol, but I assume if you are at that point, you probably could take it (France, Germany, Poland, Italy, Stalingrad, Cairo, Novgorod and London at that point, right? )
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Washington DC and Ottawa! :wink:
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You’re OTTAWA? Â (out a wha)
Although I do remember the surprise on a certain party’s “face” (post) when I took Washington DC on like round 4 with Germany back in Alpha 2. (Feignted Sea Lion and went down to Gibraltar instead, he musta thought I was going for Egypt or something because he didn’t defend Washington.)
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UK can scramble 3 aircraft from Scotland and UK (for those who don’t remember, weren’t aware, you could not scramble from the UK or Scotland at all, OOB)
If Germany buys nothing r1, and UK makes itself juicy enough.
You can do:
- A german sbr on london r2
- Buy trannies only (and dd if needed).
- Then do another sbr on Italys turn vs the airbase and suddenly you dont need to waste any units defending from the now not present scramble.
If Germany already had 85-90% odds it might get closer to 99,9%. Then its bye bye britain and still alot of ground units left to kick Soviet. In ll its close to impossible to defend london and hit z97 r1 as uk, even with 1sub bid.
Japan is ofc in a good position and require most US attention for the first 2-4 rounds so Germany/Italy is free to wreak havoc on Soviet. IC bombing is the way to go vs moscow after sealion. Just 4-5 bombers can shut down the soviet ecnonmy permanent, and that is an exelent task for stinking rich Italy.
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Not making any purchases round 1 means you have lots opportunity for those units for the rest of the game. Like the old poem, for want of a nail… …the war was lost. (google it if you don’t know it, pretty good poem.)
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@Cmdr:
Not making any purchases round 1 means you have lots opportunity for those units for the rest of the game.
did you mean lots or lost?
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I mean lost. Dang typos! I am referring, of course, to Opportunity Cost, the cost of being able to have that infantry/armor/plane had you purchased it in time that you now don’t have it.
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UK can scramble 3 aircraft from Scotland and UK (for those who don’t remember, weren’t aware, you could not scramble from the UK or Scotland at all, OOB)
If Germany buys nothing r1, and UK makes itself juicy enough.
You can do:
- A german sbr on london r2
- Buy trannies only (and dd if needed).
- Then do another sbr on Italys turn vs the airbase and suddenly you dont need to waste any units defending from the now not present scramble.
If Germany already had 85-90% odds it might get closer to 99,9%. Then its bye bye britain and still alot of ground units left to kick Soviet. In ll its close to impossible to defend london and hit z97 r1 as uk, even with 1sub bid.
Japan is ofc in a good position and require most US attention for the first 2-4 rounds so Germany/Italy is free to wreak havoc on Soviet. IC bombing is the way to go vs moscow after sealion. Just 4-5 bombers can shut down the soviet ecnonmy permanent, and that is an exelent task for stinking rich Italy.
UK would of course buy defensively if you don’t buy anything round 1. There is no reason not too, since your are a turn off from hurting russia efficiently.
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UK would of course buy defensively if you don’t buy anything round 1. There is no reason not too, since your are a turn off from hurting russia efficiently.
Encouraging a UK1 London buy, without a G1 naval buy, is win-win for the Axis in my opinion. I agree with ER about saving some or all German IPC.
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What is a round 1 Sea Lion buy for Germany?
I buy a carrier regardless where I go, it just makes sense. So what if it’s a Carrier + Strategic Bomber or Carrier + 2 Transports (c’mon, 3 transports is just wise for Germany anyway, right? And you don’t NEED the infantry on round 1 to kill Russia.)
Anyway, Sea Lion is always worth it if you calculate the battle cost, opportunity cost, and over all strategic situation. The question should be, imho, is it worth it to do it on round 3? Which again, really depends on what is defending there, but I am going to go out on a limb and say “no” since in most instances it isn’t worth the cost outlay to do it that early, IMHO.
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Russia is realy dead when Germany buys for 100 ipc mec and tanks and UK is bad positioned to help them anytime soon. Landunits in London have zero value untill you tranny them away.
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Or, you can do what my opponent did in my last game and buy 5 Battleships for Germany. Needless to say, Russia rolled right over him.
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Or, you can do what my opponent did in my last game and buy 5 Battleships for Germany. Needless to say, Russia rolled right over him.
:lol:
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Or, you can do what my opponent did in my last game and buy 5 Battleships for Germany. Needless to say, Russia rolled right over him.
A battleship for the Caspian sea has always been a huge game changer for Russia.
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