Darth Vader just felt off for some reason. The planet/lair for his introduction was ridiculous. I couldn’t place it, but his voice had something wrong with it and the costume looked completely digital rather than tangible. His presence in the scene with the Krennic was not very intimidating. All that said, later when Vader comes in at the end, I thought he was downright terrifying and showed him in his true power, menace and invulnerability.
The castle is on Mustafar, the world where his final transformation from Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader took place as he battled Obi-Wan Kenobi and lost several limbs, and his soul, for his trouble. So why would Vader choose to live on the planet where so much of his suffering originated? Perhaps he returns to Mustafar, lives on Mustafar, because thats where he was truly born. Vader wasnt born on Coruscant when Palapatine named him Darth, and it wasnt when he betrayed the Jedi, invaded the Temple, and killed those younglings. His birth came, literally in fire, with the culmination of his hatred and anger after being defeated by Obi-Wan. On Mustafar he lost his friend, his comrades the Jedi, his pregnant wife, and, as a result, himself. So when Vader returns to his castle on Mustafar to soak in his bacta tank, hes going home. Its all he has left in the wake of Anakins destruction – fear, anger, hatred, and probably, inconceivable regret.
As for the voice, the voice was once again provided by James Earl Jones… how more authentic can you get than that? If there’s a voice discrepancy, it can simply be credited to the fact that sometimes people 40 years older don’t sound the same as they did 40 years ago.
Grand Moff Tarkin was… highly distracting to say the least. I didn’t find his appearance convincing. I would rather they had used the actor from the end of Ep III (who is clearly supposed to be Tarkin). Princess Leia on the other hand I thought was good; at least her appearance. Her brief dialogue was corny and pun-ish, but it didn’t bother me much.
Shakespeare Company veteran Guy Henry played Moff Tarkin in the movie… he is an established British stage and film actor with a long list of credits… he studied film of Peter Cushing to learn his movements and mannerisms performed motion-capture on set and provided the voice as well. The only difference between his performance as Moff Tarkin and “just grab another actor and use him” is that they CGI’d his face to match Peter Cushing… despite what some people think though, he was not an entire CGI character like Jar Jar binks… he was just “digitally enhanced” in the face, but the actor himself, and the voice of Moff Tarkin was indeed played by Guy Henry.
Very similarly, Ingvild Deila played Princess Leia… once again, another actor with a CGI face enhancement, but otherwise actually played by an actress. For better or for worse, her role in the film was considerably less than Moff Tarkin’s so the CGI work may have been less noticed since it was only a few seconds as opposed to entire major plot scenes.
The castle is on Mustafar, the world where his final transformation from Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader took place as he battled Obi-Wan Kenobi and lost several limbs, and his soul, for his trouble. So why would Vader choose to live on the planet where so much of his suffering originated? Perhaps he returns to Mustafar, lives on Mustafar, because thats where he was truly born. Vader wasnt born on Coruscant when Palapatine named him Darth, and it wasnt when he betrayed the Jedi, invaded the Temple, and killed those younglings. His birth came, literally in fire, with the culmination of his hatred and anger after being defeated by Obi-Wan. On Mustafar he lost his friend, his comrades the Jedi, his pregnant wife, and, as a result, himself. So when Vader returns to his castle on Mustafar to soak in his bacta tank, hes going home. Its all he has left in the wake of Anakins destruction – fear, anger, hatred, and probably, inconceivable regret.
That reasoning is somewhat logical, however, we were never told what planet it was. The implication may have been Mustafar, but it was not stated. Nor did they show any recognizable structures that would call back to Ep III (which makes me wonder why the heck they didn’t, considering how much of the past SW history is fashionable to allude to). We have desert planets that look exactly like Tatooine, in both Ep 7 and Rogue One, but neither actually is. Why should this be Mustafar even though it looks just like it? It wasn’t an assumption I was willing to make without confirmation.
Plus, I never thought of Darth Vader as having a home other than maybe the Imperial Palace, but more properly on some Star Destroyer. This partially stems from the Original trilogy when things like a ‘home’ for Darth Vader were not pertinent to the story. Neither, I would argue, is it pertinent here. Vader doesn’t need to be humanized by having a ‘home’ and the scene was rather pointless. Why have Krennic travel all the way to some planet where Vader is rather than have them meet on a ship or talk via hologram? It was purely a device to re-introduce Vader and give him more screen time. They could have done both better. The other part stems from: why does Vader even need a home? Or a castle or whatever? Does he go to the refrigerator to get snacks and play video games? No. He is bent on killing Jedi and crushing the Rebellion. Vader is better portrayed as being a constant threat in the galaxy; always on the move with an Imperial Fleet.
As for the voice, the voice was once again provided by James Earl Jones… how more authentic can you get than that? If there’s a voice discrepancy, it can simply be credited to the fact that sometimes people 40 years older don’t sound the same as they did 40 years ago.
That Jones has aged is understandable. But if you go through the effort to manipulate actors faces with CGI versions of their dead characters, why not then spend similar effort on the most recognizable bad guy voice in movie history? Answer me that. Less you Wolf and more the production crew. Certainly voice tone alterations would be far easier than CGI face masks that have to stand up to significant screen time.
Shakespeare Company veteran Guy Henry played Moff Tarkin in the movie… he is an established British stage and film actor with a long list of credits… he studied film of Peter Cushing to learn his movements and mannerisms performed motion-capture on set and provided the voice as well. The only difference between his performance as Moff Tarkin and “just grab another actor and use him” is that they CGI’d his face to match Peter Cushing… despite what some people think though, he was not an entire CGI character like Jar Jar binks… he was just “digitally enhanced” in the face, but the actor himself, and the voice of Moff Tarkin was indeed played by Guy Henry.
Very similarly, Ingvild Deila played Princess Leia… once again, another actor with a CGI face enhancement, but otherwise actually played by an actress. For better or for worse, her role in the film was considerably less than Moff Tarkin’s so the CGI work may have been less noticed since it was only a few seconds as opposed to entire major plot scenes.
Guy Henry’s credentials have no bearing on my statement. I did not find the mannerisms, posture or voice to be distracting, just the face. It looked like a well done cinematic cut from a video game. While Henry’s efforts were admirable, he is an actor portraying another actor with a mask on to make him look like the person he is not. I doubt he will really get much credit for the performance, especially from people who don’t have the time to care. If anything, Henry’s performance is relegated to a footnote compared to the chatter over the effects on his face and whether or not they were good or bad and the “hey it’s Grand Moff Tarkin!” geek out. I think they did Henry a disservice with the CGI. This was not equivalent to a Jar Jar Binks or even Gollum; both of which were entirely self-contained alien-esque characters. With Gollum they went so far as to make him look like Andy Serkis; this situation is rather the opposite.
Carrie Fisher’s double (and that is what they were relegated to, being body doubles less than actors) was good, almost certainly for the reason you mentioned: she was onscreen very briefly and had few words to say.
That reasoning is somewhat logical, however, we were never told what planet it was. The implication may have been Mustafar, but it was not stated. Nor did they show any recognizable structures that would call back to Ep III
Plus, I never thought of Darth Vader as having a home other than maybe the Imperial Palace, but more properly on some Star Destroyer. This partially stems from the Original trilogy when things like a ‘home’ for Darth Vader were not pertinent to the story.
While I find it odd that Rogue One took the trouble to subtitle every planet that was in the film, save one; Mustafar, is odd… not sure if it was intentional, an oversight, or intended part of the “surprise”… That Vader had a castle on Mustafar isn’t really in-question… a casual Google search will find about 10,000 articles about Vader’s castle on Mustafar… its more or less established lore, and it’s not new to Rogue One, the fact he had a castle goes back to the script of Empire Strikes Back… it was just later dropped in production. Also, realize that it can’t be Mustafar cuz it doesn’t look exactly like that scene in EpIII doesn’t mean it can’t be Mustafar… Mustafar is neither a small moon nor a space station, its a big planet… what we saw in Rogue One easily passes for Mustafar. Do realize that I, Wolf, don’t write the scripts, i’m not making conjecture because my left toe hurts that I think it’s Mustafar, its all over the net and easily find-able, i’m merely relaying what’s out there and to answer your questions/comments about the scene in question.
That Jones has aged is understandable. But if you go through the effort to manipulate actors faces with CGI versions of their dead characters, why not then spend similar effort on the most recognizable bad guy voice in movie history? Answer me that. Less you Wolf and more the production crew. Certainly voice tone alterations would be far easier than CGI face masks that have to stand up to significant screen time.
[Shrug]… really dont have an answer for you there… James Earl Jones is James Earl Jones… and Vader’s voice, even if he were dead 10 years, wouldn’t be hard to reproduce… I think I do a pretty good Vader myself! lolz… I can’t really comment that the voice was totally off, if it was, I didn’t notice… as with many things, opinions are just that… opinions, and different opinions for different people.
Guy Henry’s credentials have no bearing on my statement. I did not find the mannerisms, posture or voice to be distracting, just the face. It looked like a well done cinematic cut from a video game. While Henry’s efforts were admirable, he is an actor portraying another actor with a mask on to make him look like the person he is not.
First off, disclaimer that Grand Moff Tarkin in lore is a key figure in the construction and ruling of the Death Star, so short of writing him out of history and pretending he didn’t exist, we have to take-on the role of Grand Moff Tarkin in Rogue One, I know you didn’t address this, but it’s kind of important to my reasoning’s below, that Grand Moff Tarkin kinda had to be in this movie if you’re following lore… so with that said…
Well, here we have, what is essentially, the very nature of “ACTING”… Unless we’re talking about a documentary about Guy Henry, then any actor is going to have to act, speak and look differently than they do just waking up and walking down the street. Acting is all about being someone you’re not. Want to play Freddy Krueger? Act a certain way you’re not, look a certain way you’re not, put on a mask and be someone else… that’s called “acting”.
As-is the case with Grand Moff Tarkin, we’re not working with a blank slate here anymore… this is an established lore character with a film history, certain looks and certain mannerisms. For ANY actor, Guy Henry or someone else, they’re going to have to act, look and perform like the Grand Moff Tarkin that we are used to, and like it or not, Peter Cushing personified the role in the original movie, so that’s what you’re stuck with.
Obviously we can’t resurrect Peter Cushing or de-age Carrie Fisher when she was available for the film (R.I.P. to both), so you’re left with some choices if you’re not just going to write these characters out… you can do the “standard” practice of hiring a younger actor to replay the role and just pretend its the same person, or (times change) you now have the ability to actually make that actor really look like character-x… you can argue the old “hey, he’s wearing a mask, that sucks”… but isn’t that what most actors do all the time… physical or otherwise? Isn’t that what we get with Darth Vader, Jason (from Friday 13th), and many other actors portraying various characters with a look? Even the cast of the new Star Trek films did their best not to be themselves, but to act, look and sound like William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy… thats what acting is about… being someone you’re not. A digital mask, is not much different than wearing a Vader Helmet to be perfectly honest… look at it that way, it’s just something new you’re not used to… actors put on masks and become someone they’re not all the time… if Peter Cushing wore a mask in EpIV, would you have been just as upset if Guy Henry wore the same mask in Rogue One? We’re able to do things now that we weren’t able to do even as little as 5 years ago. Whether its Chris Pine trying to be William Shattner, or Guy Henry trying to be Peter Cushing, the only difference is a little digital effect… otherwise, they are all people acting and pretending to be someone they’re not. I found Guy Henry’s Moff Tarkin an impressive peace of work… that he wore a mask, much like Darth Vader, didn’t detract on his performance for me, that’s my opinion, right or wrong.
P.S.
Guy Henry also wore Imperial Jack Boots… unlike Peter Cushing who wore comfy house slippers throughout Episode IV… little-known trivia there… Peter Cushing refused to wear the Imperial Jack Boots, as he found them uncomfortable… so he literally wore house slippers in all the shots… do note, there’s not a single full-body shot of Grand Moff Tarkin anywhere in Episode IV… they’re all waist-up shots!
While I find it odd that Rogue One took the trouble to subtitle every planet that was in the film, save one; Mustafar, is odd… not sure if it was intentional, an oversight, or intended part of the “surprise”… That Vader had a castle on Mustafar isn’t really in-question… a casual Google search will find about 10,000 articles about Vader’s castle on Mustafar… its more or less established lore, and it’s not new to Rogue One, the fact he had a castle goes back to the script of Empire Strikes Back… it was just later dropped in production.
Yes, I understand and I did make a casual Google search to confirm your statement. I did not say that I thought you were wrong, only that making consistent assumptions about planets in these new Star Wars movies can lead to inconsistent answers. “Established lore” be damned. At least Disney made it so when they acquired the property. The EU (apparently now referenced as “Star Wars Legends”) is no longer relevant to the films and making references to it, while possibly correct, are also very possibly wrong.
Also, realize that it can’t be Mustafar cuz it doesn’t look exactly like that scene in EpIII doesn’t mean it can’t be Mustafar… Mustafar is neither a small moon nor a space station, its a big planet… what we saw in Rogue One easily passes for Mustafar. Do realize that I, Wolf, don’t write the scripts, i’m not making conjecture because my left toe hurts that I think it’s Mustafar, its all over the net and easily find-able, i’m merely relaying what’s out there and to answer your questions/comments about the scene in question.
You are right, this was a bad assumption on my part… When Ep 7 and Rogue 1 insert as many callbacks and references as they can, I only assumed they would do that for Mustafar too. Maybe the river of lava was to have sufficed in that regard. And with no title denoting the planet name (as you pointed out) like they did with all the other planets… I just don’t get why. Too many inconsistencies.
Is it another bad assumption that this article is where you got most of your info from? http://www.slashfilm.com/darth-vaders-castle-rogue-one/
That Jones has aged is understandable. But if you go through the effort to manipulate actors faces with CGI versions of their dead characters, why not then spend similar effort on the most recognizable bad guy voice in movie history? Answer me that. Less you Wolf and more the production crew. Certainly voice tone alterations would be far easier than CGI face masks that have to stand up to significant screen time.
[Shrug]… really dont have an answer for you there… James Earl Jones is James Earl Jones… and Vader’s voice, even if he were dead 10 years, wouldn’t be hard to reproduce… I think I do a pretty good Vader myself! lolz… I can’t really comment that the voice was totally off, if it was, I didn’t notice… as with many things, opinions are just that… opinions, and different opinions for different people.
Listen harder next time. I don’t believe this is simply an opinion, I have heard other people say the same thing. Of course he still sounds like Darth Vader, but it didn’t have the crisp edge that it had in the original trilogy and even at the end of Ep III. I am not trying to find fault and complain unnecessarily, just stating an observation.
First off, disclaimer that Grand Moff Tarkin in lore is a key figure in the construction and ruling of the Death Star, so short of writing him out of history and pretending he didn’t exist, we have to take-on the role of Grand Moff Tarkin in Rogue One, I know you didn’t address this, but it’s kind of important to my reasoning’s below, that Grand Moff Tarkin kinda had to be in this movie if you’re following lore… so with that said…
As I said, “lore” be damned. Unless it was written after April 25 2014 (or in the Clone Wars series) it doesn’t mean anything. Thank you Disney. They could have written Tarkin out completely or given his character a diminished role. Whatever, they didn’t, they probably never would have; it is pointless to argue about that.
Well, here we have, what is essentially, the very nature of “ACTING”… Unless we’re talking about a documentary about Guy Henry, then any actor is going to have to act, speak and look differently than they do just waking up and walking down the street. Acting is all about being someone you’re not. Want to play Freddy Krueger? Act a certain way you’re not, look a certain way you’re not, put on a mask and be someone else… that’s called “acting”.
As-is the case with Grand Moff Tarkin, we’re not working with a blank slate here anymore… this is an established lore character with a film history, certain looks and certain mannerisms. For ANY actor, Guy Henry or someone else, they’re going to have to act, look and perform like the Grand Moff Tarkin that we are used to, and like it or not, Peter Cushing personified the role in the original movie, so that’s what you’re stuck with.
Obviously we can’t resurrect Peter Cushing or de-age Carrie Fisher when she was available for the film (R.I.P. to both), so you’re left with some choices if you’re not just going to write these characters out… you can do the “standard” practice of hiring a younger actor to replay the role and just pretend its the same person, or (times change) you now have the ability to actually make that actor really look like character-x… you can argue the old “hey, he’s wearing a mask, that sucks”… but isn’t that what most actors do all the time… physical or otherwise? Isn’t that what we get with Darth Vader, Jason (from Friday 13th), and many other actors portraying various characters with a look? Even the cast of the new Star Trek films did their best not to be themselves, but to act, look and sound like William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy… thats what acting is about… being someone you’re not. A digital mask, is not much different than wearing a Vader Helmet to be perfectly honest… look at it that way, it’s just something new you’re not used to… actors put on masks and become someone they’re not all the time… if Peter Cushing wore a mask in EpIV, would you have been just as upset if Guy Henry wore the same mask in Rogue One? We’re able to do things now that we weren’t able to do even as little as 5 years ago. Whether its Chris Pine trying to be William Shattner, or Guy Henry trying to be Peter Cushing, the only difference is a little digital effect… otherwise, they are all people acting and pretending to be someone they’re not. I found Guy Henry’s Moff Tarkin an impressive peace of work… that he wore a mask, much like Darth Vader, didn’t detract on his performance for me, that’s my opinion, right or wrong.
Chris Pine was not trying to be Shatner and Quinto was not trying to be Nimoy. They were acting as the established characters of Kirk and Spock. Big difference. The actors imitate some mannerisms and accepted qualities of those characters, not of the actors who previously played them. Similarly, Guy Henry portrayed the character of Tarkin, as established by Cushing. Pine and Quinto cannot be Shatner and Nimoy and Henry cannot be Cushing, no matter how hard they try. My greater point is that it is both futile to do so and perhaps wrong to expect it. Modern technology is great, but it doesn’t make upfor every detail.
Darth Vader is an entirely different example. His appearance does not change with time, it is constant. Anyone can be a perfect Darth Vader if they can imitate the posture and presence. Darth Vader’s continuity hinges more critically on his voice than his mask, hence my comments above. Conversely, and in my opinion, Tarkin’s continuity relies more on the manner and tone than the face. If/when we tragically lose James Earl Jones, we will have lost Darth Vader also. If Darth Vader appears in a Star Wars movie after the death of Jones, the actor had better be able to do a spot on vocal impression or audio technology had better exist to match him, because otherwise it will not feel like Darth Vader. Just as this Tarkin felt a little less than Tarkin. I don’t have a problem with Guy Henry’s performance. As I said, it was not the problem, it was the CGI face. Not the acting. My diatribe was to express that I would rather see Henry receive due accolades for his acting; something I don’t think he will get because of the unfortunate mask.
To the ridiculousness I pointed out above:http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/21/14041616/rogue-one-darth-vader-castle-mustafar
This is the best description of the whole scene:
"_Darth Vader, standing in his tower on Mustafar,
built on the exact spot where Obi-Wan cut off all his limbs:
who has the high ground now b!tch_"
:lol: :lol: :lol:
As far as “established lore” is concerned, i’m not a fan of the “Canon Lore” vs “Legends Lore” of two “equal but different, yet nearly identical, but not quite” established lores for the Star Wars franchise… its confusing to say the least and kinda pisses in my Wheaties… but to all but the most hard-core Star Wars fans, the two lores are (more or less) nearly the same. Not a fan either way.
Not much can be said to argue your points, Frimmel…
As for Mustafar, its in the novel, so there was never any doubt. Why they did not disclose it in the movie, I dont know, but oversight? THink they just wanted to “engage” the fans and give them a little test so they can be happy if they guessed right.
Why Vader is there, however, does not need to be questioned. There are several reasons imaginable, none of them ridiculous (albeits its clear that they wanted Vader in it because he is Vader…this criticism they would have gotten in any case, Vader on the Devastator or in his castle). Could be that Vader wants to self-inflict pain as he lost Padme there, could be that he wants to feed from the negative emotions, or Palpatine sent him there to keep him angry / unstable. In any case, I seem to remember that someone wrote that in the new canon Vader could be established as being the more solitary guy, only to come out of there if its really necessary and important. I think after the Jedi were purged, he might have been bored, and he is clearly not interested in the tech side of things, as can be seen by his attitude to the DS. Palpatine will need his henchman, though, so we have to wait for more books.
His armor looked totally crappy, though, considering this is a multi million dollar franchise. Or billion.
As for Red 5 , I think they wanted to point this out especially as Luke became Red 5 for the DS attack.
I am no fan of SW Rebels, but it was nice to see the Ghost and Chopper, as well as the bar guys from the Cantina.
And hype? Yep, for the last years I dont know I saw a movie that fulfilled the inevitable hype.
@alexgreat:
As for Red 5 , I think they wanted to point this out especially as Luke became Red 5 for the DS attack.
My brother mentioned that as a reason. It sounds plausible, but I don’t know why they needed to do it. That more than anything reminded me that they were re-using dialogue intended for the original Star Wars.
@alexgreat:
And hype? Yep, for the last years I dont know I saw a movie that fulfilled the inevitable hype.
Both Mad max and Interstellar did for me. I was not hyped on Mad Max, but many people were and it turned out to be one of the best films in the past 10 or 15 years.
@alexgreat:
As for Red 5 , I think they wanted to point this out especially as Luke became Red 5 for the DS attack.
My brother mentioned that as a reason. It sounds plausible, but I don’t know why they needed to do it. That more than anything reminded me that they were re-using dialogue intended for the original Star Wars.
I think they put it in for running gag purposes.
Like:
-it’s a trap
-i have a bad feeling…
and so on
Star Wars universe quote jokes.
I just wanted to see the fat guy “Porkins” get roasted again…
let me ask a question (if it hasn’t been asked already), which is:
Why were the death star plans held on a specially designated planet, like the archive planet? Why do you need a special planet to hold such things? Why aren’t the plans kept under lock and key in the dock yards where the thing was built? Or in Palpatine’s safe? What idiot would send them to the “archive planet?”
I think that’s a pretty hokey piece of screenplay laziness.
I guess you can tell I didn’t care much for the movie. I laughed every time the rebel base would “get news of trouble” and then be immediately able to get it’s fighters into whatever far flung action was going on in the far reaches of galaxy. Even assuming faster than light travel, I doubt they could get the communications and react that fast. That was silly.
let me ask a question (if it hasn’t been asked already), which is:
Why were the death star plans held on a specially designated planet, like the archive planet? Â Why do you need a special planet to hold such things? Â Why aren’t the plans kept under lock and key in the dock yards where the thing was built? Â Or in Palpatine’s safe? Â What idiot would send them to the “archive planet?” Â
I think that’s a pretty hokey piece of screenplay laziness. Â
You may see it as a Back up Station or the fact that in the past, Rebells allready tried a couple of times to get their Hands on the blueprints of the DS.
The DS it self was infiltrated in aNH by an Assasin-Droid named IG 88B without Palpatine even knowing about it.
So far no Problem for a SW fan, since these kinds of Infos are in the Novels but I do see your Point.
Hope that helped.
@aequitas:
let me ask a question (if it hasn’t been asked already), which is:
Why were the death star plans held on a specially designated planet, like the archive planet? � Why do you need a special planet to hold such things? � Why aren’t the plans kept under lock and key in the dock yards where the thing was built? � Or in Palpatine’s safe? � What idiot would send them to the “archive planet?” �
I think that’s a pretty hokey piece of screenplay laziness. �
You may see it as a Back up Station or the fact that in the past, Rebells allready tried a couple of times to get their Hands on the blueprints of the DS.
The DS it self was infiltrated in aNH by an Assasin-Droid named IG 88B without Palpatine even knowing about it.
So far no Problem for a SW fan, since these kinds of Infos are in the Novels but I do see your Point.
Hope that helped.
Ok, I didn’t read the books so perhaps I am missing something.
But it seems like there are 2 options: 1, keep the plans locked up in the data “cloud,” which would mean they could be hacked by anyone from anywhere with access, or 2, they are in “hard” copy stored in a secure location. Why wouldn’t that location be at Curosant or some military base with maximum ability to resist instead of sitting in some far flung base, even if it was guarded?
Also, I guess I think the idea of getting “the plans” to the base being the surefire solution to defeating the threat is quite gimmicky. You can get the plans to something but still be unable to counter the threat. Having the plans to the MX missile may have been nice but not useful in countering it.
Finally, I have to point out that the whole “Dad built the Death Star” theme was illogical. Why would he still go forward to build the DS even if his daughter’s life was in danger if he knew there was a reasonable probability it would be used to destroy at least 1 planet full of millions and the only hope to stop it would be the unlikely chance the “plans” could be found, successfully stolen, correctly analyzed, and then used to defeat the DS. It wasn’t like sending a proton torpedo down the venting shaft was a surefire way of blowing the thing up. It was pretty hard and required the skill of a so-so Jedi. Why didn’t he just program a back door into the program running the DS and hand that off somehow?
I think the Disney screen writers are trying too hard to backfill a story that originally was not about the DS, how it was built, where the plans were, how they were stolen, and the DS’s design flaws.
I mean, how prescient Dad must have been to include a defense design flaw that was so obscure that it simultaneously escaped the defense review board and was yet extraordinarily, but not impossibly, hard to exploit! What a guy!
I was wondering if something like this would happen.
Hmmm… now I wonder if in fact they do make a digital version of the elderly Princess Leia just as they did with the young one.
Hmmm… now I wonder if in fact they do make a digital version of the elderly Princess Leia just as they did with the young one.
Obviously the technology already exists to do so (ie: see Peter Cushing).
The only question left would be legality/rights/desire/too-soon issues.
This is definitely a Paul Walker moment.
I was wondering if something like this would happen.
Hmmm… now I wonder if in fact they do make a digital version of the elderly Princess Leia just as they did with the young one.
well, no way they rewrite the Resistance leader General Solo out of the movies. Not that I really care, to be honest, Leia didnt add something essential to the plot, other than grief for Ben. But one parent is dead, I am sure they had plans, how else to keep up the “emotions”. Let Rey fall in love with Ben?
I finally saw Rogue One over the holidays, and I quite liked it. It certainly did have some problems – I’ll say more about those in a moment – but it more than held my attention for its entire length. I appreciated the fact that it’s set in the same era as the original trilogy, and that it involves what I call the “classic” Empire as opposed to the degenerating Republic of the prequel trilogy and the neo-Imperialistic context of the sequel trilogy. It also struck me as being a more adult movie than The Force Awakens, and indeed quite a dark, modern-style war film in many respects. I managed to avoid learning very much about the film before seeing it, so that I could watch it with as few preconceptions as possible, but I wasn’t suprised when the only “happy” part about the ending was that the Rebel Alliance (as we already knew decades ago from the opening scroll of Episode IV) sucessfully got its hands on the Death Star plans, an event that would eventually lead to the destruction of the Empire’s ultimate terror weapon. It was appropriate that this accomplishment would be purchased at a very high price.
That said, there were a few things about the movie that were problematic, though none of them got in the way of my enjoying the film. The storyline was somewhat clumsy, and I was perplexed by the lame “well, we might as well throw in the towel” reaction of the Rebel Alliance leadership when they learned about the Death Star. A few picky details annoyed me; for example, there was the fact that the Imperial Stardestroyers and the AT-AT walkers seemed much mure vulnerable to weapons fire in this film than we saw in the opening half-hour of The Empire Strikes Back. I also kept wondering why an Imperial pilot who had recently defected would have long and unkempt hair worthy of a rock musician; I had always assumed that TIE fighter pilot had neat crew-cuts under those helmets of theirs. Less annoyingly, because I found his dry humour appropriately calibrated (in contrast with Jar Jar’s annoying slapstick in the prequel trilogy), I got the impression halfway through the movie that the reprogrammed Imperial robot was more or less a cross between a Star Wars droid and Marvin the Paranoid Android from the old TV version of the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy – the (depressed rather than paranoid) robot who keeps complaining with lines like “The first three billion years were the worst.”
All in all, though, a movie that I liked and that I’m planning to get for myself when it’s released on DVD – which is more than I can say about The Force Awakens, or the entire The Hobbit trilogy.
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A few picky details annoyed me; for example, there was the fact that the Imperial Stardestroyers and the AT-AT walkers seemed much mure vulnerable to weapons fire in this film than we saw in the opening half-hour of The Empire Strikes Back. I also kept wondering why an Imperial pilot who had recently defected would have long and unkempt hair worthy of a rock musician; I had always assumed that TIE fighter pilot had neat crew-cuts under those helmets of theirs.
The Star Destroyers bit annoyed me slightly, because it did seem unusually easy for the Rebels to take a couple out, without showing the requisite punishment they would first need to absorb. You have to hammer the shields a good while before you can just take out the shield generators at the top. It was kinda cool how the Rebels actually made explicit use of ion cannons to disable one. The resulting push by the smaller Rebel ship was over the top though.
I believe the rationale for the AT-ATs was that they were not standard armored AT-ATs, but rather some larger, less combat capable version that was used for transport/construction. At least that is what I read somewhere, so take that for what it’s worth. I couldn’t understand why, but it looked like the sides were made of plywood.
I think the Imperial defector was some kind of shuttle or cargo pilot and not a tie fighter pilot. That would explain the image and nervous attitude. Not that Imperial Navy members should have long hair; no answer for that.
