What it was that made James Holmes go nuts.

[U-505]

@Imperious:

Because in those times higher reading was only available to the rich and most were illiterate. Only proving how higher reading and education reduces out criminal behavior

This is a highly generalized claim. Take the examples of Henry VIII, Leopold and Loeb, the Spanish Inqusition, and the Roman Empire. And those are just scratching the surface. History is littered with examples of well educated intelligent people committing horrible atrocities, whether by their own hand or by their command.

@Imperious:

To deny that being exposed to stories of violence and silly stories does not affect the individual as opposed to reading of classic or higher cultural influences shows a difference in what may become is really ignorant.

First, the classics are loaded with stories of violence.

Second, what you read is irrelevant. What you take from what you read is vital. Two people can read the same book and get two very different lessons from it. You mentioned the novel Ulysses by Joyce. Ulysses is a modern(at the time) day re-imagined adaptation of Homer’s Odyssey. At the end of the Odyssey, Odysseus and his son, Telemachus, murder Penelope’s suitors who were trying to convince her that Odysseus was dead and that she should remarry one of them. What kind of lesson should someone take from that? That if you go away for a long time and someone hits on your wife, that it’s ok to kill the guy?

Lastly, there is a great deal of evidence that your environment, how you are raised, and influential people in your life are largely responsible for your development. And this doesn’t end with your childhood. It continues to happen throughout your life. Genetics also plays a small role. While there is no evidence that people are born good or evil, genetics does determine how susceptible you are to suggestion. However, reading the classics as opposed to comic books is a negligible factor if even a factor at all.

[Imperious Leader]

Second, what you read is irrelevant. What you take from what you read is vital.

Yea sure so just read Porno and Comics and see how that fairs you.

Or just read non-fiction or classic literature which has substantive value proven over time.

First, the classics are loaded with stories of violence.

Yes but not WWF style violence with guys in tights and dumb yellow shoes. You can watch Benny Hill for that.

This is a highly generalized claim. Take the examples of Henry VIII, Leopold and Loeb, the Spanish Inqusition, and the Roman Empire. And those are just scratching the surface. History is littered with examples of well educated intelligent people committing horrible atrocities, whether by their own hand or by their command.

Sure consider the population of Prisons and how many incarcerated have low education credentials. Access to education changed in modern times and the greater acts of evil were committed in the past due to lack of education out of ignorance.

[U-505]

@Imperious:

Yea sure so just read Porno and Comics and see how that fairs you.

Thanks, I will. Although, watching porn is far more entertaining than reading it. Personal preference, though.

@Imperious:

First, the classics are loaded with stories of violence.

Yes but not WWF style violence with guys in tights and dumb yellow shoes. You can watch Benny Hill for that.

Right. The violence in the classics is far more brutal. For example, the Iliad describes Achilles dragging Hector’s dead body with his chariot around the walls of Troy. My favorite book, A Tale of Two Cities, describes a child being run over by a carriage, a courtyard with a grinding wheel where mobs of fanatical blood-covered “patriots” would run to have their bloody weapons re-sharpened so they could return to the slaughter, and the intense feelings of dread and fear as people, including children, were forcibly taken to their deaths in front of jeering crowds. Slightly more dark than getting kicked by dumb yellow shoes.

@Imperious:

This is a highly generalized claim. Take the examples of Henry VIII, Leopold and Loeb, the Spanish Inqusition, and the Roman Empire. And those are just scratching the surface. History is littered with examples of well educated intelligent people committing horrible atrocities, whether by their own hand or by their command.

Sure consider the population of Prisons and how many incarcerated have low education credentials. Access to education changed in modern times and the greater acts of evil were committed in the past due to lack of education out of ignorance.

You’re switching from reading the classics to education as your focus. But, even then, I have more examples. Julius Caesar had tens of thousands of Gallic people slaughtered for no reason other than to terrorize the population into obedience. How about Josef Mengele or the Japanese doctors who experimented on the Chinese at Unit 731? What about the people who ordered the bombings of Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki? None had military value. They were nothing but mass murder of civilian populations for the purpose of terrorizing the population into surrendering. Here’s a modern example that’s going on right now. President Assad of Syria is ordering his own people to be massacred by the hundreds and thousands.

The greater acts of evil were NOT committed in the past due to lack of education out of ignorance. The greatest acts of evil have almost always been the exclusive realm of well-educated intelligent people. And I’m pretty sure some of those guys read the classics and not comic books.

[Imperious Leader]

The greater acts of evil were NOT committed in the past due to lack of education out of ignorance. The greatest acts of evil have almost always been the exclusive realm of well-educated intelligent people. And I’m pretty sure some of those guys read the classics and not comic books.

Wrong. You need to look at the aggregate and stop looking for these famous ‘examples’ of human depravity. Without equivocation, the total sum of evil in History were committed by ignorant, uneducated, and low grade humanity.

Right. The violence in the classics is far more brutal. For example, the Iliad describes Achilles dragging Hector’s dead body with his chariot around the walls of Troy….

These episodes offer more insight to the human condition than overweight dudes in yellow tights prancing around with capes in the streets. One makes you think, the other turns off the mind and creates children’s fantasy.

[Mallery29]

When did the World Wildlife Fund ever start wearing tights and dumb yellow shoes?  :wink:

[Imperious Leader]

When did the World Wildlife Fund ever start wearing tights and dumb yellow shoes?  wink

They don’t and tights are regulated to comic book “heros”

Apparently, to save the city you must wear tight fitting clothing in bright colors to identify a “hero”

[Mallery29]

Obviously you never watched “Men in Tights”

[U-505]

@Imperious:

The greater acts of evil were NOT committed in the past due to lack of education out of ignorance. The greatest acts of evil have almost always been the exclusive realm of well-educated intelligent people. And I’m pretty sure some of those guys read the classics and not comic books.

Wrong. You need to look at the aggregate and stop looking for these famous ‘examples’ of human depravity. Without equivocation, the total sum of evil in History were committed by ignorant, uneducated, and low grade humanity.

Right. The violence in the classics is far more brutal. For example, the Iliad describes Achilles dragging Hector’s dead body with his chariot around the walls of Troy….

These episodes offer more insight to the human condition than overweight dudes in yellow tights prancing around with capes in the streets. One makes you think, the other turns off the mind and creates children’s fantasy.

Surprisingly enough, this has some merit and is worth discussing. But, since I’ve just downed half a bottle of brandy I have neither the ability nor the desire to do so at this time. Soon though.

@Mallery29:

When did the World Wildlife Fund ever start wearing tights and dumb yellow shoes?  :wink:

Save the animals, kill humans!

[aequitas-et-veritas]

@Imperious:

The greater acts of evil were NOT committed in the past due to lack of education out of ignorance. The greatest acts of evil have almost always been the exclusive realm of well-educated intelligent people. And I’m pretty sure some of those guys read the classics and not comic books.

Wrong. You need to look at the aggregate and stop looking for these famous ‘examples’ of human depravity. Without equivocation, the total sum of evil in History were committed by ignorant, uneducated, and low grade humanity.

Right. The violence in the classics is far more brutal. For example, the Iliad describes Achilles dragging Hector’s dead body with his chariot around the walls of Troy….

These episodes offer more insight to the human condition than overweight dudes in yellow tights prancing around with capes in the streets. One makes you think, the other turns off the mind and creates children’s fantasy.

IL, how did you come to the conclusion that the most crime were made by “ignorant, uneducated, and low grade humanity”???

[Gargantua]

His personal [Edited] ideology of course. :)

Editing notes: Please no flaming language. Thanks!

[Imperious Leader]

IL, how did you come to the conclusion that the most crime were made by "ignorant, uneducated, and low grade humanity

Don’t think on average, many criminals had access to education or came from a background that didn’t push them to do better, hence they took the wrong path to make up for deficient skills as they had no other way to do better.

[Imperious Leader]

His personal [edited] ideology of course. Smiley

You should really stick with more “Hitlers Gas bill threads” and identifying Japanese with the first three letters…. :roll:

[Gargantua]

Is racist a banned filter word?

I was -only- kidding, hence the smiley lol…

I had no idea it was taboo/forbidden!

[Gargantua]

I mean in all fairness… nothing was edited when Imperious Leader was threating to kill us in this thread. :P (also more comedy I believe)

[Most Holy]

@Imperious:

IL, how did you come to the conclusion that the most crime were made by "ignorant, uneducated, and low grade humanity

Don’t think on average, many criminals had access to education or came from a background that didn’t push them to do better, hence they took the wrong path to make up for deficient skills as they had no other way to do better.

And this would be because, on average, the people were kept poor and starving by the aristocracy, who through merely being born in the right house were entitled to taking everything the average person had and grinding their spirits to dust. This is the legacy of your educated class.

[Gargantua]

Modern education, and the average teacher, is simply a cog in the wheel of the current debt/slavery machine.

They don’t teach young people much of value, just how to do what they’re told, and that they should listen to “powers that know better”  It’s an incredibly condescending approach, not that any of us has ever witnessed anything like that at AA.org.

All modern education wants people to do, is get a job for $40,000 a year, and pay tax.  That’s considered success on their part.  Not encouraging people to start their own businesses, fly to mars, or cure cancer.

Todays -Teaching- social class is 100% the problem, I know everything, so I must be totally correct,  ALL teachers should go to jail for these random shootings.

[Imperious Leader]

And this would be because, on average, the people were kept poor and starving by the aristocracy, who through merely being born in the right house were entitled to taking everything the average person had and grinding their spirits to dust. This is the legacy of your educated class.

baahaahaa. How does that answer work for you in today’s age?

[Gargantua]

@Imperious:

And this would be because, on average, the people were kept poor and starving by the aristocracy, who through merely being born in the right house were entitled to taking everything the average person had and grinding their spirits to dust. This is the legacy of your educated class.

baahaahaa. How does that answer work for you in today’s age?

Being born in America, as oppossed to Nigeria.  Pretty much the same.

[Gargantua]

Hey Guerilla guy,  are death threats consider flame? or, just fluff?

[Imperious Leader]

Being born in America, as oppossed to Nigeria.  Pretty much the same.

Nice to fit in yet another slam on America seemingly out of nowhere without any relevance to anything remotely connected to anything.

Here is another: Hows that Canada medal count working for you?  Nice to see they tie with Netherlands for total. And they even have 1 gold! Awesome!

I think Gargantua should be considered a flame and fluff.