Amazing story.
US versus China for world position
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GG, the articles I cited directly pointed the finger at China. China can claim it’s the actions of their private citizens….who have to bypass the great firewall of China.
China is targeting “Aerospace or Defense Contractor somewhere in the AngloAmerican Sphere”
Happens every day
Just in today’s headlines:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21556611
An old article but funny Microsoft software runs US aircraft carriers….
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GG, the articles I cited directly pointed the finger at China. China can claim it’s the actions of their private citizens….who have to bypass the great firewall of China.
China is targeting “Aerospace or Defense Contractor somewhere in the AngloAmerican Sphere”
Happens every day
Just in today’s headlines:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21556611
An old article but funny Microsoft software runs US aircraft carriers….
I understand that, as far as the original article. The Nortel article doesn’t state it was the government, “just hackers apparently based in China carried on a decade-long campaign of stealing technical papers, R&D reports, employee e-mails, and other sensitive documents from the network company.” No governmental ties, or none stated. You seem to be stating that the Nortel case was an example of no penalty being ascribed to a government, yet in all honesty it would be against individuals within the government’s jurisdiction doing illegal activity.
In the unit 69318 case, they haven’t definitively proven that, so of course no sanctions. I don’t doubt the Anglo-American sphere are trying to imbed operatives to figure out if there is a link. The second the US has a lock for that the Chinese government hacked into Lockheed and stole plans for the F-35, I have no doubt there will be embargoes to pay for Chinese goods.
GG
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The unit 69318 case…. It could be just a group of a few 100 computer scientists who routinely breach the firewall of china on a 24/7 basis with huge resources and working out of a state owned building with massive fibre optic hookups. In a nation where its dangerous for two falan gong members to talk, having 100s of people working for years breaching nation-state firewalls is just beyond belief that the state is not aware and supportive of this.
Same with Nortel. You just can’t have this kinda of persistent attacks going on without state support. Gangs and individuals steal things they can make money on. What China is getting is unique to state actors.
For instance, what financial gain would gangs get from jamming the broadcasts of the BBC?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-21575913If the US can prove a smoking gun, you really thing they will punish China with trade embargoes? No, when a bully can not only steal your lunch money but just take it in front of your parents and teachers nobody dares to mention the 8, 000 lb gorilla then you know you are dealing with a tough bully.
I would love to see China be made to play fair but nobody dares speak the obvious.
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The unit 69318 case…. It could be just a group of a few 100 computer scientists who routinely breach the firewall of china on a 24/7 basis with huge resources and working out of a state owned building with massive fibre optic hookups. In a nation where its dangerous for two falan gong members to talk, having 100s of people working for years breaching nation-state firewalls is just beyond belief that the state is not aware and supportive of this.
I’m in agreement, I think the Chinese government would go to great lengths to infiltrate Western Corporate databases and steal information for nefarious reasons or otherwise. If the state is supportive of it, they are hiding it well though, that is my point. We have nothing to pin on them, even if we wanted reparations. I find it odd though, you stated in the first post that you found it odd that no one asked China to stop, and later on stated that they inevitably are a bully that the West are impotent to oppose. I’m not a big believer in international political pressure, but you must have something in mind, and I’m guessing beside embargoes?
Same with Nortel. You just can’t have this kinda of persistent attacks going on without state support. Gangs and individuals steal things they can make money on. What China is getting is unique to state actors.
Gangs and individuals steal things they can make money on? What about Anonymous? Sony, Visa, Paypal, Amazon, Bank of America, Tunisian Government, Australian Government. I digress though. I think with examples like Nortel, you are seeing the reemergence of the Cold War, with different secondary actors, namely MNC’s.
For instance, what financial gain would gangs get from jamming the broadcasts of the BBC?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-21575913I refer back to Anonymous, which has had a multiplicity of ethical engagements with different entities.
If the US can prove a smoking gun, you really thing they will punish China with trade embargoes? No, when a bully can not only steal your lunch money but just take it in front of your parents and teachers nobody dares to mention the 8, 000 lb gorilla then you know you are dealing with a tough bully.
If China was doing it in the open, then I would say you would be right. Once again, even according to the article, they haven’t definitively proved state-sponsored involvement. “Probably,” is a stretch, and in international politics, outright innocence.
I would love to see China be made to play fair but nobody dares speak the obvious.
I think some (certainly not all) of China’s degrade will actually come from an odd source, a resurgence of ethical fervor in the West. I don’t mean religious fervor either (although for some, that has tied in), but with the successful marketing ploys of smaller corporations, like Freeb!rds, Chipotle, IKEA, Whole Foods, etc. It would take years, but part of the anger is focused on China and other major players in the “diminished working conditions” world.
Report out of the UK outlining consumer shifts: http://www.co-operative.coop/PageFiles/416561607/Ethical-Consumerism-Report-2011.pdf
GG
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Granted Anonymous is a great counter argument to my profit motives argument. But it is distributed across many nations and does have a pattern to its attacks, and so does unit 69318.
I am hoping that the recent revelations by Microsoft, NYT etc will force a change in policy and that nation state forensic teams can prove beyond doubt it is state sponsored IT theft.
I honestly think most companies are scared to piss off China so don’t complain to loudly. Nortel was embarrassing for Canada.
China’s fall will be health issues from pollution. Once the citizens feel they can force improvements then the playing field will even out.
China’s Mainland Home to 247 ‘Cancer Villages’
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323293704578331832012056800.html
China on Hackers…
What’s funny, the U.S. accusses china of launching Hacking attacks, and threatens they’ll do “pre-emptive” hacking attacks of their own if the attacks don’t stop.
Then that China Cites 68% of hacks to it’s military website come from the U.S…
Then the U.S. says -in the same article- that they don’t launch state sponsored hacking attacks.
LOL But I guess the U.S. is set up for them? lolol…
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I read that article too. I suspect citizens of the west are a bit more free to do things than those in China, like hacking. I am sure ECHELON is a form of hacking that has benefited the english speaking nations that are the controlling members. But the primary purpose of ECHELON is not to steal secrets. I am sure some information does trickle down the benefits friendly nations companies, but again, not the primary purpose as unit 69318.
Interesting stuff to me at least!
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Us, China, and Russia for world position.
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We should have nuked china during the Korean war when we had a chance…
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LOL, now that would make for an interesting alternative history novel! I suspect the soviets would have gotten a bit more powerful without the soviet/sino split. The cuban missile crises could have gone hot. Talk about the law of unintended consequences!
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We should have nuked china during the Korean war when we had a chance…
Wow that was the fastest +2 I ever got!
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It was already at +1 by the time I put my
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I would love to know what your score was Garg.
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Witt, it was at +1 and I made it +2, so there! lol
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Perhaps the US is finally taking China and theft of intellectual property seriously.
President Obama upbraids China over cyber attacks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21772596But the devil is in the details. Did he ask politely in between asking for loan requests or was it a bit more assertive as in threats of tariffs to compensate for theft?
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But the devil is in the details. Did he ask politely in between asking for loan requests or was it a bit more assertive as in threats of tariffs to compensate for theft?
Don’t make me get my -dream band- “The Juice” to start playing to this crowd.
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Should’ve nuked russia when US had the chance
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China calls U.S. the “real hacking empire”
They are calling us greedy arms profiteers who sow discord among the neighboring Asian countries.
Apparently, our arms sales in the region have increased a lot following reports of the new chinese carrier and the dragon stealth fighter.
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Will the KFC problems in China ever pose a risk to us here in the USA ?
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