It saves a bunch of time when grabbing islands, too. From NSW, you can only really reach Java and the Carolines. From Queensland, you can cause trouble all around.
How is the balance with the new Alpha 2 changes? Please give your view.
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GHR,
I am glad that your allied opponents are not yet aware of how to utterly destroy Japan.
In most games I see these days, Japan is strong on rounds 4 and 5 and moderate on Round 6. Round 7, 8 and 9 shows Japan being steadily beat back. Round 8 reveals American interest in the Atlantic beginning, as their navy is now strong enough to keep the Japanese one at bay.
Russia is more than capable in keeping Germany from winning the war for that amount of time and then some.
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Jen, Im glad your axis opponents are not yet aware on how to stall on one map and to steamroll the other.
If germany is decent, he should be at the gates of moscow by round 7-8 (unless he does a G4 attack or halfassed a G2/3 attack).
This is made alot easier if italy can-opens like he should.
Because of the long distances from WUS towards Japan’s area of operations and the fact that defending is alot easier attacking can make Japan stall out the US for ages. If anzac ships go alone, they can be picked off with minimal effort. If they hang with the main us fleet, then they will be only defending and present no serious issue unless u foolishly do a giant attack.
With the small raids on DEI being counter attacked and retaken, and the main fleet sitting around, the allies will need to commit all the way till round 7-8 before japan is close to contained. It will also take another 2-3 turns logistically for the US to threaten germany/italy in Europe.
Also, if russia commits what it would need to if it tries to take scandinavia, then germ can just walk to nov and cut the army off, or power through the south to the caucuses and smack russia up hard.
If germany goes sealion G3 and succeeds, he should have enough guys sitting in the east to hold off russia for a turn or so, and can counte rin scand with the transport mass of guys.
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30ish ipcs of pillage plus territorial gains/NO will quickly make up for being behind in the east and will help italy to get in a solid position when the US comes in force, especially when the US would most likely go for uk first.
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30ish ipcs of pillage plus territorial gains/NO will quickly make up for being behind in the east and will help italy to get in a solid position when the US comes in force, especially when the US would most likely go for uk first.
Pillaging what, exactly?
Round 1: France falls to Germany
Round 2: Germany builds fleet/air
Round 3: England falls to Germany
Round 4: Russia invades Eastern Europe - Russia earns 50 IPC a roundRound 1: Italy works on warships in the Mediterranean Sea
Round 2: Italy works on warships in the Mediterranean Sea/Invades Alexandria again
Round 3: Italy takes Jordan, Egypt
Round 4: English forces invade Jordan through IraqRound 1: Japan attacks China
Round 2: Japan attacks China
Round 3: Japan attacks China/DEI
Round 4: Japan faces combined Allied fleet in SZ 56, Allied fleet in SZ 26
Round 5: Japan pushed off DEI, England invades S. China, Chinese forces reinforce from SikangBy round 8 or 9, Germany is starting to take Russian territory, Japan only has Manchuria and some original orange territories and Italy is starting to get the Middle East (but not all of it.)
By round 9 England and China have Japan’s land mass restored to Chinese control. Australian destroyers are blocking the Japanese fleet (if Japan’s fleet is still alive), American naval power counters Japanese preventing them from escaping.
By round 11 American forces are in the Mediterranean Sea, N. Africa is under American control, British forces are in control the Egypt and the Middle East, German forces have either Stalingrad OR Leningrad, perhaps both. Japan is a shell of it’s former glory.
By round 13, American forces are routinely landing in Italy/S. France, Germany is taking 3 CRD in Norway, 2 CRD in W. France and 8 CRD in England. Russian infantry are pushing back out of Moscow, sniping at German pickets left underdefended because Germany has to pull back or lose Berlin. -
Balance is about right, as long as axis play aggressively since time is in favour of the allies. Overall, chances are mostly determined by player skills
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Pillaging UK can give about 30 or so ipcs
along with all of G3 and G4 purchases being thrown at the russians, germany can prevent the russians from taking more than 1 territory and be pushing the russian back. Assuming there was a sealion strat. -
A) 19 IPC from France
B) 26 IPC from England (you have to assume England’s been hit by CRD a few times, and lost territory.)German losses:
At least 5 transports ~ 35 IPC (lost because they are not ground forces, they still have utility just like the Minor Industrial Complex in Paris still has utility, it just isn’t optimal when attacking Russia.)
7-8 Infantry lost in France ~ 21-24 IPC in loses (countered by 19 IPC gain from the treasury + 4 for the territory, let’s just call it a wash.)
2 or 3 planes lost in SZ 97, 20-31 IPC lost
7-8 Infantry, 2-3 Artillery, 1-2 planes lost in England (tanks remain to take the land, assumed, need to be transported out again) ~ 39-56 IPC lost for 26 IPC + 6 TT + 5 NO gain / 37 IPC gained.All in all, before Russia is attacked, Germany should have lost about 146 IPC in war materials (includes lost units for buying the transports to win Sea Lion) and gained 183 IPC (by start of Round 4). Worse however, they are not in a strong position to invade Russia yet, they still have to get their stuff to the Eastern Front.
Russia, in contrast, has gained 111 IPC in gear prior to Germany’s invasion on Round 4. Thus, while Germany has effectively remained at the same strength after those invasions, Russia has doubled in strength and now has greater strength than Germany.
Italy is in the game too, but as mentioned, they take A LOT longer to grow than many suspect, with an “energetic” England.
How you all are having issues keeping Germany/Italy at bay with Russia for 8 or 9 rounds is beyond me. You don’t have to WIN, you don’t have to be in control of all of SE Europe, all you have to do is stop them from getting Stalingrad, Moscow and/or Leningrad (any two effectively stops a VC win.) That should NOT be hard. Germany gets 50 IPC to Russia’s 40 IPC, fine. So what? You start with more gear, and it takes at least 125% equipment to beat a defender, more likely 140% to be assured of having enough gear left after the attack to hold the territory. That’s not all that hard to accomplish!
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Think we’re gonna try reducing the Far East Russians to 4 infantry per territory in our game tomorrow. Hoping that will ease up the pressure on the Japanese mainland and encourage the Russians to play defense up there rather than trying to big-stack the Japs.
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Eh, I like discouraging Japan from invading Russia. I’d even go with a straight up ban on invading Russia or Russia invading Japan completely.
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Usually when I invade Russia with Japan, it’s because they have stacked up close to the border in numbers I can’t turn my back on. I hate to do it, and it puts the mainland force way out of position, but if those eighteen dudes wait 'til my little nippers have wandered off south, they can be extremely difficult to kick back out. Best way to keep me from attacking them is to make them less of a threat.
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If Japan ignores me, I generally retreat my 18 Infantry and AA Gun back to TIM, where I can put them into CHA. But that’s beside the point, the point is, I WANT Japan to invade me! That’s 2 tanks for the attack on Germany, or to move into Cha with my infantry later.
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If you want Japan to invade, just stack up next to 'em. They pretty much have no choice, I feel like.
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If you want Japan to invade, just stack up next to 'em. They pretty much have no choice, I feel like.
Clarification: I want Japan to invade, but I don’t want to lose all 18 men and the AA Gun if I can help it. I would rather trickle my men down to 14 men and an AA Gun plus 2 armored units by the time I get to TIM. Coupled with 2 fighters and a Tactical bomber (plus the Strategic Bomber I generally get) that’s a significant fighting force to keep Japan out, while the 4 planes have relatively easy time to swap territories if you retreat to Ukraines/Belarus.
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@Cmdr:
If Japan ignores me, I generally retreat my 18 Infantry and AA Gun back to TIM, where I can put them into CHA. But that’s beside the point, the point is, I WANT Japan to invade me! That’s 2 tanks for the attack on Germany, or to move into Cha with my infantry later.
ill glady take 2 tanks when russia will be losing 4-5 ipcs every turn without german invasion.
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@Cmdr:
If Japan ignores me, I generally retreat my 18 Infantry and AA Gun back to TIM, where I can put them into CHA. But that’s beside the point, the point is, I WANT Japan to invade me! That’s 2 tanks for the attack on Germany, or to move into Cha with my infantry later.
ill glady take 2 tanks when russia will be losing 4-5 ipcs every turn without german invasion.
I’ll gladly take two armored units as well, since you’ll be forced to bring 50 IPC worth of equipment with you out of China or risk losing it all to a counter attack and that doesn’t include any aircraft you bring with you as well.
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closer to 25-30 ipc worth of units actually that wont be doing anything else otherwise
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closer to 25-30 ipc worth of units actually that wont be doing anything else otherwise
That is not enough to best 18 Infantry, 1 AA Gun, 2 Fighters, 1 Tactical Bomber. The Russians will roll over any Japanese incursion you send with less than 50 IPC worth of units. Hell, with the 2 armor Japan gives me, I’ll theoretically have 18 Infantry, 2 Fighters, 1 Tactical Bomber and 2 Armor (and the Strategic Bomber I generally buy anyway, because I want the utility).
Generally, when Japan invades and I retreat before them, they have over 14, 15 units including some air units and an AA Gun. All those units are now unable to attack China or defend against England, Australia and America.
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since when does russia send 2 figs and a tac east?
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but those units are contesting a huge threat and allowed japan to get 4-5 ipcs a turn of russian territory, japan has plenty of other resources to get china down.
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since when does russia send 2 figs and a tac east?
Oh, I’ll send them to Moscow and they’ll be in range to help my units from TIM crush the Japanese. That’s fine. I just want to keep the Japanese out of China and I can do that from TIM/Moscow and still have the aircraft for Bessarabia, E. Poland and Baltic States if I need them.
One of the reasons I build more aircraft with Russia. Again, Russia does not have to win, they just have to not lose.
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