2011 Tournament discussion (AA50-41)

[DarthMaximus]

Yoshi over DM

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=23220.0

[Butcher]

GI_Joe over Butcher

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=23159.0

[anchovy]

anchovy (Allies +6) over Tyzoq (Axis)

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=23240.405

[DarthMaximus]

I had a couple of questions on Round 3.

The 24 hr rule does not count for rd 3.  Just keep your round 3 games moving at a normal pace. 
Turns every 72 hrs would be extremely helpful.

Pretty soon we’ll be flooded with a bunch of G40 tourney games as well so we’ll probably see more action in this forum.

[gamerman01]

Gamerman01 over DutchmanD(+13)

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=23189.0

[DarthMaximus]

Good game guys.

All games are now in rd 3.

All rd 3 games, lets shoot to finish by Halloween.  :wink:

All players, let me know if you see consistant delays.  Turns should be coming in roughly 72 hrs or less.

Also the board will be getting crowded with the G40 tourney underway.

[DarthMaximus]

Alright, two games down two to go.
Lets try and get those rd 3 games done soon.

I’ll roll for the semi-final round.

[DarthMaximus]

1 - top player
2 - bottom player

Rolling 1d2:
(1)

[DarthMaximus]

Top player starts the bidding.

Zhuk and Rd, you guys are free to start.

[Yoshi]

Yoshi (allies, +9) over GI_Joe (axis)

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=24050.0

[gamerman01]

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=24712.0

Gamerman01 (+12) over JWW

[DarthMaximus]

No rest for the weary.  Gamerman and Yoshi you can start when ready.

Yoshi starts the bidding.

Winner plays winner of RD and Zhuk game.

[gamerman01]

Thanks for the reminder -

Yoshi and I have been bidding today.  He just bid 9, so I have to decide which side I want.  We will be starting soon.

[Amon-Sul]

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=25882.0

[Zhukov44]

RD (allies +12) over Zhukov, 14 rounds.

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=25187.0

[gamerman01]

I tabulated the results of all games to see how many times Axis wins.
I excluded a few games that involved very inexperienced players, or two players that were totally mis-matched.

I have Axis winning 12
Allies winning 6

Axis is winning the one game currently being played, so if Yoshi wins, it will be 13-6.
League play for 2012 so far is Axis 15, Allies 5
Why are you all bidding so low for Allies?  Why did I bid 8 for Allies vs. Yoshi?

The statistics show you are likely to lose with Allies with a bid under 12 against a worthy opponent.  The game has been out for over 3 years now.  2011 tournament and 2012 league results total 27 Axis wins to 11 Allied wins.  I think we’re getting into the realm of “statistically significant”.  I think it’s time to recognize we’re not going to “figure out the Allies”.  It’s been 3 years.  Time to admit 1941 is unbalanced in favor of the Axis.  Probably about as severely as Revised was slanted towards the Allies.  :-)

[Amon-Sul]

we should slowly move to 1942

[gamerman01]

Heck, why not all of us change at once?

It was my preferred version until I finally switched to 1941 in 2011 so I could participate in the league and tournament…  A&A always started in 1942 until 2008…  Hasn’t the novelty worn off yet?  :lol

[Zhukov44]

42 would have a higher average bid than 41.  The stats for 42 were always much more unbalanced then the stats for 41.  It’s still a very good game, assuming the bid is appropriate.

Both versions of aa50 favor Axis with NOs.  The fact that it’s ‘unbalanced’ makes it a better game then if it was ‘balanced’.  Bids add some spice and variety.

[Yoshi]

I think everybody agrees that axis has an advantage ; we would not bid otherwise :)

And remember, at the beginning here, people were bidding to get the allies !

If I remember well, average bid in revised was around 7-9 (but I almost did not play this scenario online, so I might be wrong). I’m not sure this was so much unbalanced.

The 41 version begins with a lot of battle - thus dices - on round 1. That makes the bid less relevent again on a particular game, since that can be totally wiped out by bad dices. But I believe something between 6 and 12 should be a good conclusion in the future (as I’m trying to predict, the interval is bigger :) ). Which would be an average / high bid according to where the conclusion leads, but still not an unbelievable gap imho.