I saw it somewhere on line about 2 weeks ago. Try google search. I’ll post link if i come across it again
AAG40 FAQ
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@Vance:
OK so now I have another question.� Suppose it is round 2 and Russia is not at yet war on the Europe map.� Can Japan declare war on Russia, fly bombers from an airbase in Kwangsi over Caucasus to land them in Romania, and Russia still not be at war on the Europe side?�Â
Yes, it’s legal. The USSR is still under the restrictions of a neutral power on the Europe map, but Japan is not. Japan and the USSR are at war, so Japan can fly over Soviet territories.
Well worded, sir. Thanks for your help.
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Nice! Thank you! The med will never be the same with my new Japanese bomber base in Greece muahahahaa
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So Japan can bomb the crap out of Russia from the west, and Russia won’t consider it an act of war by Germany for supporting the bombings. Bizarre. Rules are rules
Not the first and not the last bit of craziness allowed by A&AÂ :-)I like how Italy or Germany (more likely the latter) can take all the Russian states bordering on Mongolia and Mongolia will no longer care if Japan runs tanks through the area. Not going to have an impact in most games, but still a weird rule considering how Larry worded the Mongolian rule and all….
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Ah - good one, Jenn
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If the axis have overrun Russia completely from the west, and reached the far east…yeah, Mongolia would want to keep a low profile.
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If the axis have overrun Russia completely from the west, and reached the far east…yeah, Mongolia would want to keep a low profile.
I think you are failing to think outside of the box.
Early German landing in northern Russia with a blitz over to China. Basically, it’s an end run across Russia. Reinforce them with Japanese asap and you have a nice back door.
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i think… the real life mongolian people would cower in fear if germany took russia over… i think that was what he was eluding to.
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@Cow:
i think… the real life mongolian people would cower in fear if germany took russia over… i think that was what he was eluding to.
Yes, I got that. He misunderstood my point, I was saying if Germany takes the Far East w/o taking Russia over, just blitzing and running like heck to get there and then allow Japan to walk through unopposed.
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The unlikely part of this scenario, Jenn, is that Germany would run into a wall of 15-18 Russian Infantry along the way. Not much opportunity to blitz…
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The unlikely part of this scenario, Jenn, is that Germany would run into a wall of 15-18 Russian Infantry along the way. Not much opportunity to blitz…
Hmm, yes, if Germany decided to go from west to east over Mongolia. I was thinking more in tandem with a Japanese push through China. More of an “after the fact” move. Japan takes China and Germany drives through to Manchuria and then up and over.
Not saying this is a good move, but it’s got a certain psychological impact on an opponent, at least the first time s/he sees it.
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@Cmdr:
The unlikely part of this scenario, Jenn, is that Germany would run into a wall of 15-18 Russian Infantry along the way. Not much opportunity to blitz…
Hmm, yes, if Germany decided to go from west to east over Mongolia. I was thinking more in tandem with a Japanese push through China. More of an “after the fact” move. Japan takes China and Germany drives through to Manchuria and then up and over.Â
Not saying this is a good move, but it’s got a certain psychological impact on an opponent, at least the first time s/he sees it.
Considering most people stagger instead of stack, I could see where Jen is making her point, especially if you use the Japan AF to blow away 6-7 inf in one attack.
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@Cmdr:
The unlikely part of this scenario, Jenn, is that Germany would run into a wall of 15-18 Russian Infantry along the way. Not much opportunity to blitz…
Hmm, yes, if Germany decided to go from west to east over Mongolia.� I was thinking more in tandem with a Japanese push through China.� More of an “after the fact” move.� Japan takes China and Germany drives through to Manchuria and then up and over.�Â
Not saying this is a good move, but it’s got a certain psychological impact on an opponent, at least the first time s/he sees it.
Considering most people stagger instead of stack, I could see where Jen is making her point, especially if you use the Japan AF to blow away 6-7 inf in one attack.Â
You could use the air force for that, and I do that quite often on Indian or Chinese stacks (as strategically necessary, of course) but I am thinking more of running your tanks into China.
Course, I didnt think of clearing the Russians out with the Air force. Even with that idea, I’d say China is better, otherwise, you drag Russian infantry back to the east (which maybe is what you want?)
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So Japan can bomb the crap out of Russia from the west, and Russia won’t consider it an act of war by Germany for supporting the bombings.�  Bizarre.�  Rules are rules
Not the first and not the last bit of craziness allowed by A&A�  :-)My favorite is how you can bombard France from the Mediterranean with the Italians in AA50 immediately after the UK lands on the Northern coast of France.�  Now those are some long range BB guns.�  Can shoot hundreds of miles.
And…… that’s about 11 straight off-topic posts - probably my fault for posting the above.
This is the FAQ thread and it’s hard enough to find answers to questions without a bunch of off-topic posts.
If you would like to discuss your out of the box idea about Germany and Mongolia, please start a thread, Jenn.
Be a good example for the rest of us. Â :wink:
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Trapped-planes-inside-a-carrier topic, again…
Hi everyone. I own the two 1940 games for almost a year now, but unfortunately our small group here in Croatia hasn’t had a chance to play the Global that often, hence only now this first posting. This summer we are trying to set it straight somewhat. In the process, I seem to spend more time here and on the HGD site reading about it than actually playing the game, and yet it is hard to believe that we still have some questions that appear not to have been mentioned yet. Nah, it must have been my frenzied reading and missing it.
Anyway, here is the rather simplish scenario that almost happened in our last game: European Axis concentrated on the Brits and left the Soviets alone until R4. Along the way, Germany built a carrier in the Med to help protect the Italian transports, and later received Italian aircraft aboard. Now, the Soviets at the beginning of the R4 combat movement have the option to declare war on any or all Axis powers. They choose to DOW only on Germany. After that they move their aircraft to attack the sea zone with the German carrier in it, along with the Italian planes and any other naval units that happen to be there. Is it not that only the German navy fights? Italians are still not at war with the Soviets! Now, if the carrier is damaged and Soviets retreat (or are destroyed), what happens to the Italian air? I know it has been said repeatedly that only attacking foreign planes may be trapped inside a carrier, but how to resolve this situation?
Thanks in advance and cheers, EG
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Germany built a carrier in the Med to help protect the Italian transports, and later received Italian aircraft aboard. Now, the Soviets at the beginning of the R4 combat movement have the option to declare war on any or all Axis powers. They choose to DOW only on Germany. After that they move their aircraft to attack the sea zone with the German carrier in it, along with the Italian planes and any other naval units that happen to be there. Is it not that only the German navy fights? Italians are still not at war with the Soviets! Now, if the carrier is damaged and Soviets retreat (or are destroyed), what happens to the Italian air? I know it has been said repeatedly that only attacking foreign planes may be trapped inside a carrier, but how to resolve this situation?
Aircraft from another country are normally treated as cargo when they are on board another power’s aircraft carrier, but that is usually on the carrier owner’s turn. Defending carriers are another story:
Pacific Rulebook:
Air Defense: Whenever an undamaged carrier is attacked, its aircraft (even those belonging to friendly powers) are considered to be defending in the air and can be chosen as casualties rather than the carrier. However, aircraft on a carrier cannot be chosen as a casualty from a submarine hit, because submarines can attack only sea units
Air units based on a defending carrier must land on the same carrier if possible after the battle. If that carrier is destroyed or damaged in combat, they must try to land on a different friendly carrier in the same sea zone, move one space to a friendly carrier or territory, or be destroyed. This movement occurs during the Noncombat Movement phase, before the acting player makes any noncombat movements.
But since Italy is not at war with Russia in this scenario, you raise an interesting point.
The real question here is if attacking cargo is seen as a declaration of war or just an unfortunate loss. If the Sea Zone contained all Italian ships and a single German carrier, then it was a very clever plan to strafe the carrier with only a DOW against Germany.
Must you declare war on a power if you attack a ship that is carrying that power’s planes? Do the Italian fighters launch as normal but then not attack the Russian planes?
This applies to transports, but here is Krieg’s ruling on those:
@Krieghund:Of course the Soviet units die - they are cargo. Germany need not declare war on the USSR in order to attack UK ships. The Soviets take their chances when they board a ship that’s in danger of being sunk by an enemy.
I’m still looking for more and digging up older threads.
EDIT: Rewrote some confusing and incorrect bits.
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Aircraft from another country are treated as cargo when they are on board another power’s aircraft carrier. In this case the Soviets combat move into the sea zone and only battle German units. Even if Italy and Russia were at war the aircraft do not take part in the fight.
I think (sic) that when everybody’s at war all the units defend together, including the planes naturally. The question is whether the aircraft on a defending carrier are treated as cargo when neutral or they still launch (even if not taking part in the battle - “sort it out among yourselves guys, we’re off”). In the latter case, they should have their one space wiggle room to land if the carrier is rendered unavailable.
Must you declare war on a power if you attack a ship that is merely carrying that ship’s cargo?
Yes, in general what if/can you sink (ships with some) cargo of a power that you are not at war with?
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Great question, EG and I believe I have your answer
Once again the answer is in the sidebar on page 15 (Europe).
Combat: A power can’t attack a territory controlled by or containing units belonging to a power with which it is not at war. If a power at war attacks a sea zone containing units belonging to both a power with which it’s already at war and a power with which it’s not at war, the latter power’s units ARE IGNORED. Those units WON’T PARTICIPATE in the battle in ANY WAY, and a state of war with that power will NOT RESULT.Emphasis added
So the Italian fighters are ignored, and if the German carrier is even DAMAGED the Italian fighters CANNOT LAND back on that carrier, because they would be defending in the air. Trapped fighters only occur when a carrier is ATTACKING and has friendly air aboard as cargo.
The Russians can wail on the German carrier and displace the Italian fighters, and the Italian fighters (very oddly) will just fly around watching. Then they have one space to land, and in the Med they would usually have a safe place to land. -
Great question, EG and I believe I have your answer
Once again the answer is in the sidebar on page 15 (Europe).
Combat: A power can’t attack a territory controlled by or containing units belonging to a power with which it is not at war. If a power at war attacks a sea zone containing units belonging to both a power with which it’s already at war and a power with which it’s not at war, the latter power’s units ARE IGNORED. Those units WON’T PARTICIPATE in the battle in ANY WAY, and a state of war with that power will NOT RESULT.Emphasis added
So the Italian fighters are ignored, and if the German carrier is even DAMAGED the Italian fighters CANNOT LAND back on that carrier, because they would be defending in the air. Trapped fighters only occur when a carrier is ATTACKING and has friendly air aboard as cargo.
The Russians can wail on the German carrier and displace the Italian fighters, and the Italian fighters (very oddly) will just fly around watching. Then they have one space to land, and in the Med they would usually have a safe place to land.But are the Italian planes even in the air? I thought that planes only need to land if they are engaged in the battle. If Italy were at war with Russia they would be on combat air patrol and would take part, but without a DOW on Italy don’t they stay on the carrier? If the carrier is damaged with the Italians on board, then the planes would be trapped as cargo until the carrier is repaired, no? Very good question.
BTW maybe you guys in Croatia could play online with TripleA? Finding face to face players is hard.
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@Cmdr:
@Cmdr:
The unlikely part of this scenario, Jenn, is that Germany would run into a wall of 15-18 Russian Infantry along the way. Not much opportunity to blitz…
Hmm, yes, if Germany decided to go from west to east over Mongolia.�� I was thinking more in tandem with a Japanese push through China.�� More of an “after the fact” move.�� Japan takes China and Germany drives through to Manchuria and then up and over.��Â
Not saying this is a good move, but it’s got a certain psychological impact on an opponent, at least the first time s/he sees it.
Considering most people stagger instead of stack, I could see where Jen is making her point, especially if you use the Japan AF to blow away 6-7 inf in one attack.�Â
You could use the air force for that, and I do that quite often on Indian or Chinese stacks (as strategically necessary, of course) but I am thinking more of running your tanks into China.Â
Course, I didnt think of clearing the Russians out with the Air force. Even with that idea, I’d say China is better, otherwise, you drag Russian infantry back to the east (which maybe is what you want?)
I think by the time your Germans get out there, the Chinese should be crippled as it is.
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I believe Krieghund has said that the ONLY time fighters could be trapped is on attacking carriers.
Therefore, as per page 29, “when an undamaged carrier is attacked, its aircraft (even those belonging to friendly powers) are considered to be defending in the air…”
There is no distinction made for powers not at war with each other. We have to be careful guessing what the rules should be based on what makes sense. The rules never mention “combat air patrol”, for example.
Besides, the Italians are at war with the UK and would be on the lookout for them, right?
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