Table Tactics New Product Release
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The map could be larger, but the relationship between AA pieces and these larger tank units is off-putting. I have tried to use World War Two: The Game pieces but they are too large and look ridiculous. Of course i will buy them all anyway, but the point is to give jack the information and opinions so he can make better use of his investment to possibly add to sales. The pieces he had before were very compatible and its not clear why that changed when he made these new pieces.
I do wish people BEFORE they decide to make anything try to get the input from potential customers so that they can make the most informed decision.
FMG knows this very well and made the best use of this idea.
On the other hand the guy who made that WW3 game with AA type bits ( forgot the name of that game but i did buy 4 copies)…. i feel very sorry for him. He didn’t prepare any amount of research to get feedback from the public… He just released a game and is stuck with probably thousands of these games. All because he didn’t do his homework.
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Imperious Leader - the game you are talking about is “Superpowers”
Very sad to see what happened to him - it is so easy to do customer research nowadays, and I am glad to see FMG making sure he listens to his audience.
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Jack, could you possibly show the Italian armored units next to the A&A lineup (the colored tanks in your US photo)? I want to see how close they are in size - I might want a few extra orders from Fairplay if they are.
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Imperious Leader - the game you are talking about is “Superpowers”
Very sad to see what happened to him - it is so easy to do customer research nowadays, and I am glad to see FMG making sure he listens to his audience.
Yes it is very sad. I really feel that mans pain in that he spend what is probably alot of money and is now stuck with that game. I bought 4 copies really just to help him out. I have not used or played them but did open one set.
I wish he will learn from mistakes and just find a way to break even and start again with a new approach. He made so many mistakes because he never once considered his audience. Even the chips could not be used. Only thing i think may be of use was his ‘rockets’ for AA tech pieces.
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Jack says the Americans should be up for sale tomorrow at that playfairgames.com site.
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I wish he will learn from mistakes and just find a way to break even and start again with a new approach. He made so many mistakes because he never once considered his audience. Even the chips could not be used. Only thing i think may be of use was his ‘rockets’ for AA tech pieces.
I found that the plastic trays from the “Superpowers” game fit perfectly into the boxes that hold the units from Pacific 40! so i got SOME use from it! bought two copies to do my part too.
doing your homework always pays off.
Yes the new units from Table Tactics are “offsetting” in size, but not as bad as “The War Game” and can be used in “The War Game” to give us a few country specific units and they are of superior quality compared to other pieces out there.
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@thoes426:
I found that the plastic trays from the “Superpowers” game fit perfectly into the boxes that hold the units from Pacific 40!
Can anyone upload an photo of these trays inside the pacific 40 box? Do these trays fit inside the nation specific boxes in pacific 1940?
Thanks
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The “SuperPowers” guy on his website is selling the game for $25 right now. He’s also selling the pieces separately as well for only $10. I bought a set of the pieces just to have. I’ll eventually end up painting a set for my Axis and Allies setup that I am making.
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@Imperious:
[ Only thing i think may be of use was his ‘rockets’ for AA tech pieces. [/quote]
One way I’ve used those missile pieces from Superpowers is to convert them to atomic bombs by mounting them horizontally (using one of the tail fins as a connector) on the clear plastic unit stands from the “War to End All Wars” game published by Guild of Blades. The rocket pieces made by Rolco Games work even better in this role, since their tail fins clip more solidly into the unit stands than the Superpowers ones. (The Rolco rockets come in multiple colours, but the white ones work fine as neutral-coloured pieces usable by all countries.)
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OK guys lets get something straight here. The A&A tanks have no scale and are not correct in length to width ratio.
When designing I even made a cad model of a hand to use in picking up the units. I recall having dropped pieces on the board when I was moving them and knocking other pieces out of place. Making the tanks smaller required the fingers to start bending and taking up more room on the board. I only used my hand as a model and it will be different for other with larger or smaller hands. And Yes I could stand to lose some weight but I think I’m in the majority.
On a lighter note Lt. Hanley tell me that Chip (Sgt. Saunders) sometimes looses his head and really should like the Thompson machine gun. Kirby thinks the BAR is great.
Now for the request an Italian unit picture. The have a tank and tank destroyer along with some Panther tanks loaned to them by Rommel.Hope the picture is added to this posting. Still not sure how to do this even after the Sgt. gave me directions.
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Do these trays fit inside the nation specific boxes in pacific 1940?
yes, they do! i do not have a way of posting a picture, but i assure you that they do.
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Awesome! Thanks Jack! 4 orders coming up.
I can use those for my A&A Anniversary set.
One thing about A&A is that pieces are not really to scale with each other - that is fine. as long as they are close in size to each other is what really counts.
Planes are a good example of this - the B-17 dwarfs most other planes, but they are all relatively close. Ships classes are the same - all transports/subs/destroyers are roughly the same size, regardless of what they are in real life.
Makes it easier for the players. BTW, I disagree with your “hand” theory - if we can fit fighters on carriers, we have enough hand-eye coordination to place tanks that are 1-2mm smaller than normal.
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Thought you guys would appreciate a roughly-to-scale comparison shot of Italian tanks:
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Jack:
We fully understand that AA pieces are not in scale to each other. The idea is the map does not allow large pieces to fit so scale has been compromised.
If naval, air and land were all in scale to each other… the game would be unplayable. Infantry would be really small and ships would be huge. The size just makes it look aesthetically appealing that are more or less the same.
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^^^^ That is what I was trying to say.
Even within unit classes pieces are not to scale with each other for uniformity’s sake. That is perfectly all right.
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I have designed a set of ships. If you recall my destroyers and cruisers were smaller then the battleship. I didn’t get to much flack at the time but A&A then just used generic pieces.
Shrinking the smaller ships would make one country ships indistinguishable from another but it would make it visibly easier to tell what you have and are attacking. The subs I designed are about half the size of the battleship and are still too big in scale. But that allowed me to offer a periscope option (having your periscope up or down).
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Jack,
The most important thing to me (and I think I speak for a large chunk of people here) is uniformity within classes, and uniformity to A&A convention.
If destroyers are about 48 mm long and cruisers are 52 mm long, then make all your destroyers roughly 48 mm and your cruisers 52 mm long. The key is compatability with current available pieces. (btw numbers are made up)
I’ve been a customer of yours for a long while now - remember that TT made their money by providing “accesory” pieces, not “supplementary” pieces. The best money-making way to go is to make pieces that can stand alongside current pieces, OR replace them, at the customer’s wish.
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I have designed a set of ships. If you recall my destroyers and cruisers were smaller then the battleship. I didn’t get to much flack at the time but A&A then just used generic pieces.
Shrinking the smaller ships would make one country ships indistinguishable from another but it would make it visibly easier to tell what you have and are attacking. The subs I designed are about half the size of the battleship and are still too big in scale. But that allowed me to offer a periscope option (having your periscope up or down).
What is most important to you?The ships need to be in very close size by class to each AA unit so both are compatible for play.
The ships you release must have at least the same detail as the AA ships.
Central Powers ships frankly looked like putting skyscrapers on top of a row boat. The shapes of the superstructure looked like buildings and had very poor detail.
Avoid making the ships look like Eagle games Attack! and more like Axis and Allies. Attack! does not sell well and is not well received.
If i was you BEFORE you spend money…. post a picture in CAD outline of what you propose and we can give you input.
Also, check out the FMG thread on their own line of pieces. They know exactly what we need.
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@thoes426:
I found that the plastic trays from the “Superpowers” game fit perfectly into the boxes that hold the units from Pacific 40!
Can anyone upload an photo of these trays inside the pacific 40 box? Do these trays fit inside the nation specific boxes in pacific 1940?
Thanks
Bob, see below:
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Some of why my products were less detailed is the fact that CAD models were not an option back then.
Now days that is all there is and it makes life much easier seeing the product before you have it made.
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