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AA Europe '40 Box Art
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As for Germany, swastikas etc… I obviously did not consider the game’s sales world wide. I agree that in Germany, certain subjects in World War II are way beyond taboo. And I realize why swastikas and the like will not be appearing on Axis and Allies products. While I disagree with the censorship, I also do not and have not lived in Germany, so I don’t know what kind of pain-shame-embarassment still resides there. Due to this lack of knowledge, I cannot say “put swastikas in the game and hope it sells”. Perhaps in Germany it is common sense to not have swastikas on merchandise. Perhaps it is a wise business decision based on the social restrictions in that country.
Germany has strict laws concerning Nazi-related materials, which would make it illegal for the swastika to be depicted on a commercial game.
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Hey, what is this garbage about the Allies starting the war. The aggressor was clearly Germany in the West 1939 and Japan in the East 1931. Yeah, the Allies had to officially START the war otherwise the opposition would have simply laid down and we would not have had a war!
Germany attacked Poland. POLAND. Not France or Great Britain. Yes, France and GB honored their pledge to Poland, but in doing so, they got the world involved in something much bigger than Hitlers plans on Lebensraum in the East. You do know that Hitler wanted peace with GB after the Battle of France, but Churchill wanted to carry on the fight?
As for the box art, you are absolutely, 100% right. But what you are suggesting will never, ever happen. Using the Swastika will reduce sales for the makers of the game. We live in a market economy, and that’s that.
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Hey, what is this garbage about the Allies starting the war. The aggressor was clearly Germany in the West 1939 and Japan in the East 1931. Yeah, the Allies had to officially START the war otherwise the opposition would have simply laid down and we would not have had a war!
Germany attacked Poland. POLAND. Not France or Great Britain. Yes, France and GB honored their pledge to Poland, but in doing so, they got the world involved in something much bigger than Hitlers plans on Lebensraum in the East. You do know that Hitler wanted peace with GB after the Battle of France, but Churchill wanted to carry on the fight?
As for the box art, you are absolutely, 100% right. But what you are suggesting will never, ever happen. Using the Swastika will reduce sales for the makers of the game. We live in a market economy, and that’s that.
Britain and France did not get the USSR or the USA involved. it’s obvious the UK would’ve eventally gone to war due to Japan.
You really think Germany would’ve stopped at Poland? Appeasement was tried and failed. Germany wanted peace with Britain so that Germany and the UK could become allies and defeat the US and USSR.
Have you read Pat Buchanan’s book The Unnecessary War?
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Hey, what is this garbage about the Allies starting the war. The aggressor was clearly Germany in the West 1939 and Japan in the East 1931. Yeah, the Allies had to officially START the war otherwise the opposition would have simply laid down and we would not have had a war!
Germany attacked Poland. POLAND. Not France or Great Britain. Yes, France and GB honored their pledge to Poland, but in doing so, they got the world involved in something much bigger than Hitlers plans on Lebensraum in the East. You do know that Hitler wanted peace with GB after the Battle of France, but Churchill wanted to carry on the fight?
As for the box art, you are absolutely, 100% right. But what you are suggesting will never, ever happen. Using the Swastika will reduce sales for the makers of the game. We live in a market economy, and that’s that.
Britain and France did not get the USSR or the USA involved. it’s obvious the UK would’ve eventally gone to war due to Japan.
You really think Germany would’ve stopped at Poland? Appeasement was tried and failed. Germany wanted peace with Britain so that Germany and the UK could become allies and defeat the US and USSR.
Have you read Pat Buchanan’s book The Unnecessary War?
Hitler attacked in the West because he had to. He attacked the Soviets because he wanted to. The US got involved because the Japs attacked them.
I’m not saying that Hitler would not have declared war on the western nations eventually, maybe he would have. I’m just saying that AT THE TIME, France and GB started something that was a lot bigger than the war between Germany and Poland.
As for the book, I have not read it. Thanks for the tip. But a book is just a book, we still don’t know exactly what went on in Hitler’s mind, and we don’t know how it would have played out had France and GB not declared war, or if GB had accepted peace after the fall of France.
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Hey, what is this garbage about the Allies starting the war. The aggressor was clearly Germany in the West 1939 and Japan in the East 1931. Yeah, the Allies had to officially START the war otherwise the opposition would have simply laid down and we would not have had a war!
Germany attacked Poland. POLAND. Not France or Great Britain. Yes, France and GB honored their pledge to Poland, but in doing so, they got the world involved in something much bigger than Hitlers plans on Lebensraum in the East. You do know that Hitler wanted peace with GB after the Battle of France, but Churchill wanted to carry on the fight?
As for the box art, you are absolutely, 100% right. But what you are suggesting will never, ever happen. Using the Swastika will reduce sales for the makers of the game. We live in a market economy, and that’s that.
Britain and France did not get the USSR or the USA involved. it’s obvious the UK would’ve eventally gone to war due to Japan.
You really think Germany would’ve stopped at Poland? Appeasement was tried and failed. Germany wanted peace with Britain so that Germany and the UK could become allies and defeat the US and USSR.
Have you read Pat Buchanan’s book The Unnecessary War?
Hitler attacked in the West because he had to. He attacked the Soviets because he wanted to. The US got involved because the Japs attacked them.
I’m not saying that Hitler would not have declared war on the western nations eventually, maybe he would have. I’m just saying that AT THE TIME, France and GB started something that was a lot bigger than the war between Germany and Poland.
As for the book, I have not read it. Thanks for the tip. But a book is just a book, we still don’t know exactly what went on in Hitler’s mind, and we don’t know how it would have played out had France and GB not declared war, or if GB had accepted peace after the fall of France.
Actually, the book supports your claim that the allies started the war
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@UN:
Hitler attacked in the West because he had to.
LOL
Good one.
What’s funny about it? Hitler took Norway straight from under the noses of the Brits. Because he had to. Hitler attacked France in order to destroy them before they themselves launched an attack on Germany. Because he had to.
Another way of saying it is that he did it because he was not an idiot. He knew what would happen if he would have done nothing. The Allies took the initiative by declaring war. Hitler took it back by going on the offensive. In any case he was not the aggressor in the west.
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Actually, the book supports your claim that the allies started the war
Interesting. I will have to read it.
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@UN:
Hitler attacked in the West because he had to.
LOL
Good one.
What’s funny about it? Hitler took Norway straight from under the noses of the Brits. Because he had to. Hitler attacked France in order to destroy them before they themselves launched an attack on Germany. Because he had to.
Another way of saying it is that he did it because he was not an idiot. He knew what would happen if he would have done nothing. The Allies took the initiative by declaring war. Hitler took it back by going on the offensive. In any case he was not the aggressor in the west.
France and Britain had 6 months to start an offensive and they failed. They were hoping for a stalemate, and only planned for a defensive war in the west. Thus, Germany started the war in the West(and invaded some neutrals while he was at it).
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What’s funny about it? Hitler took Norway straight from under the noses of the Brits
No, he took Norway away from the Norwegians and invaded a neutral country. It doesn’t matter if it was because he needed to just secure resources, it was still a deliberate attack on a sovereign nation, which is aggression in my book.[
[quote]Hitler attacked France in order to destroy them before they themselves launched an attack on Germany.
Is that why we built the Maginot Line?
Another way of saying it is that he did it because he was not an idiot. He knew what would happen if he would have done nothing.
He could have not invaded Poland and provoked a conflict. No, he was the aggressor of the war for the war in Europe and especially the Blitzkrieg to the West, and will until the end of history be remembered as the aggressor.
calvinhobbesliker also makes a good point in the post above this one.
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Stay on topic. This is only about box art. Nothing else.
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@UN:
Hitler attacked in the West because he had to.
LOL
Good one.
What’s funny about it? Hitler took Norway straight from under the noses of the Brits. Because he had to. Hitler attacked France in order to destroy them before they themselves launched an attack on Germany. Because he had to.
Another way of saying it is that he did it because he was not an idiot. He knew what would happen if he would have done nothing. The Allies took the initiative by declaring war. Hitler took it back by going on the offensive. In any case he was not the aggressor in the west.
France and Britain had 6 months to start an offensive and they failed. They were hoping for a stalemate, and only planned for a defensive war in the west. Thus, Germany started the war in the West(and invaded some neutrals while he was at it).
As for Norway, GB was just about to take control of it when Hitler launched the invasion.
As for Denmark, BeNeLux and France, he feared that if he did nothing, then he could expect an allied attack at any time. By taking control of these areas, he believed he could force GB to accept peace, thus ending hostilities. Hitler wanted GB as allies, not enemies.
GB chose to:
1. Declare war.
2. Refuse peace offered by Hitler and carry on the fight after France fell.
Again, I’m not saying Hitler wasn’t a dirtbag, I’m saying look at the facts. Great Britain was very much involved in making it a world war.
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@Imperious:
Stay on topic. This is only about box art. Nothing else.
Sorry. Back on topic.
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Yeah, sorry about all this getting off topic stuff. I suppose most of it was my fault.
… causing trouble on his first posts… jeez… watch out for this LHoffman dude, he seems to be a troublemaker…
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All in all… I am more impressed with the box art for Pacific '40. Though I guess it is what is inside the box that really counts. Sometimes I can get hung up on appearance though, because I derive much pride from displaying the games themselves, when they are in the boxes. I also love to just sit and look at them. They are all extremely interesting and very detailed… conveying so much emotion, the essense of the war. I seem to find something new to look at every time I gaze at them. Hopefully I will find Europe '40 to be the same. My compliments to the artists.
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Anything with swastikas are banned in Germany, so that would reduce the sales.
WOTC could make a different box for games sent to Germany.
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WOTC could make a different box for games sent to Germany.
Do you really think WOTC is going to spend money for two types of packaging? Do you see how much they spend on advertising?
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WOTC could make a different box for games sent to Germany.
Do you really think WOTC is going to spend money for two types of packaging? Do you see how much they spend on advertising?
It is just wishful thinking.
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I agree with LHoffman. I think the box art is boring - it looks just like the last few we have had. I was really hoping for something more exciting this time, with a large German representation on it. Personally, I don’t think we need to see flags on the cover at all. Leaves more room for battles/soldiers/tanks/planes/ships. I think every game should have a good deal of distinction in terms of style and colours. Guadalcanal had this cool green look to it which reminded me of the island jungles and stuff.
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I would agree with Lozmoid also. I guess it would have been fine by me if they had left off the flags… if they had done that in the first place we wouldn’t have had our previous discussion. I would agree that this new one looks more or less ‘boring’ in comparison to others I have seen. It also seems somewhat less creative. But hey… it is what it is, and I am still excited for it.
Somebody had posted that they could make a different box to sell in Germany…
While I think that would be the only way it would work, I doubt it would ever happen. Somebody mentioned how much AH spends on advertising… how much do they spend on that? I am curious, because I am not exposed to much of it.
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