Why are there Canadian roundels? A new rule perhaps?

[Imperious Leader]

I was not referring to you fire knight. But i did remove off topic posts and some rather strange posts… lets just call them ‘head scratchers’.

[mike55]

I’m Canadian and I turned 12 when Canada celebrated our centennial (Canada is now 143 years old); Lester Pearson was our Prime Minister, Lyndon Johnson was in the White House and man hadn’t landed on the moon yet. I just needed to establish that, and as a teacher in my other life, I’m happy to see young people get involved in a wonderful game.  On topic, I’m quite happy with the recognition, I think I was one of the first to suggest it would be just a recognition thing.

As far as people getting confused with the Canadian roundel and not treating it as British for income totals, just put a British roundel over top.  It’s not a huge issue.  I do the reverse.  I’ve made my own Canadian roundels ( roughly by hand of course being an old guy) and I place those on top of the British roundels where there are any in Canada.  I use a different coloured unit or mark British units as Canadians. Other than that they are British units. When I play solataire I give Canadian and, by the way, Australian and South African infantry an attack of 2, based on the fact that the Commonwealth forces from these countries were volunteers and had higher morale.  (Advanced Squad Leader gives CW troops higher morale as well.)  I also give this 2 attack to German SS and American and Japanese marines.

In following this thread I do have a concern about recognizing one country by putting down another as has happened. Canadians can be proud of what our soldiers and civilians did, but so can the citizens of Australia, India and wherever else.  Given that, putting too many different roundels on the board could get confusing.

As for Canada, or Finland or the Balkan states being a separate power, I think it would be a mistake and complicate the game far too much.  In fact, I would rather see only three power groups: Soviet Union, Axis and Allies.  I think all the Allies should play at the same time except the Soviet Union and all the Axis play at the same time.  The US and British forces should move and attack as one, as they really did in Europe, based on the scale of this game. The same with Germany and Italy.  The only separation would be national income levels for the major countries (Japan, USSR, Italy, USA, UK) and placement of units in their own country. This placement would include placement of minor forces in Canada, Finland, the Balkans and all other minor countries aligned with a major country.  However, this would be a fundamental change in the game and is not likely to happen.

As for recognition to Canada, I suggest to my fellow Canadians, appreciate it.  I registered with this forum after reading it for some time, because of the “Canadian” topics and that it seemed to generate a lot of interest.  I’ll stay because of my interest in the game.  Besides BD makes me laugh.  What does that say about me?

[Funcioneta]

@mike55:

As far as people getting confused with the Canadian roundel and not treating it as British for income totals, just put a British roundel over top

You have a point, specially if all players in the group are reasonable (wich is not a sure thing, but that’s another history). Then I guess we need make Indian markers to do the same for Pacific side (I guess there will not be Indian markers included in AAE40)

Not perfect but I guess that’s the better we’ll get OOB :|

[idk_iam_swiss]

TL;DR……i think the Canadian soapbox has been stood on for so long its bound to break…We have rehashed this over and over…its getting into a long tirade about “who is better” seriously guys…lets just drop the Canada discussion its stale and boring.

[Guest]

@mike55:

Besides BD makes me laugh. What does that say about me?

At least somebody gets my sense of humor. As for what it says about you–— I don’t think you want to know. :-D

By the way. I love Canada. I am just not sure that it would make the game better.

[SilverAngelSurfer]

@Brain:

I am just not sure that it would make the game better.

I think that’s the major point.  As I said long ago in one of the Canadian threads, the major reason ANZAC was added was simply for gameplay reasons; whether Canada or India or South Africa or Finland or whoever made greater contributions is not the point.

We as the players have been asking for a more balanced game in the Pacific and Larry has been (slowly) working toward that by various changes in the newer versions, and it’s certainly not perfect yet, but it’s getting better.  India split and including ANZAC forces the UK into a “more” historical game in the Pacific (even if Japan is still much stronger than they were historically).  Adding France was necessary with the earlier start date, but besides that, all the changes to the UK were Pacific focused to make an ignore Japan strategy obsolete.  Adding Canada or Finland doesn’t do that, and besides trying to push more action into the Pacific, Larry doesn’t want to make the game more complex than it has to be. shrug

[Guest]

Yeah, I wouldn’t mind having another army with some new control markers. Canada would be cool and I guess if I was from Canada I might want it a little more, but I think it would just slow the game down with no added benefit.

[Funcioneta]

@SilverAngelSurfer:

all the changes to the UK were Pacific focused to make an ignore Japan strategy obsolete

Ignoring Japan is obsolete since AA50. And in AAG40, the Big Orange Blob will be greater than never

[Guest]

Japan could not even be ignored in the early versions or you would have Japanese tanks in Moscow.

[Guest]

@cminke:

i took frikin britian(london) with japan :-D

That must have been an intereting game. The game was probably already decided long before that happened.

[finnman]

@cminke:

i took frikin britian(london) with japan :-D

How did you manage that. You go through th panama or Suez canal

[maverick_76]

Man I can’t wait! My guess is the same as some others that Canada will not have any other importance than it usually does. Maybe Larry just can’t stand Canada or something, lol.

[Guest]

@cminke:

both, and i konw it sounds un likley, but i managed to summon a sub and battleship fleet with some cariers and 2 destroyers, who took over both canals and raced to britan surprizingly the suzes canal fleet(as i called them)beet the panama fleet who were taking hevey casulties from usa.

I am sorry but your opponent was probably not a very good player.

[Guest]

@cminke:

I cant argue against that, but still he almost won the previous turn.

I don’t know what to say…… but that must have been one weird game.

[Guest]

@cminke:

you dont even know the half of it !
italian tanks in usa!
brits at the door of japan!
rusians kicking at japans heels!
it was funny to watch but was painfull to play
each turn it would be a mater of who rolls what

It is painful to even imagine. Sounds like a game between two novices. :-D

[maverick_76]

Yeah I remember similar games when I first started playing, they were wild and crazy because we didn’t know all of the rules quite yet.

[Guest]

Sounds more like what would happen in a game of Risk.