VF (Germany) vs. DoMan (Allies) | Original Europe OOB, Game 3

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1d6<=2: 4; Hits: 0

[DoManMacgee]

@VictoryFirst Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 9 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 transport moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from United States to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Iceland to Celtic Sea Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 1 bomber and 1 transport
            Germans defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 transport in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
            Germans win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -11
            Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber and 1 transport
            Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
        Battle in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters
            Germans defend with 1 submarine
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 3 fighters in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
            Americans win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
            Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing ownership of U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Germans to Americans
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        3 fighters moved from U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        3 fighters placed in United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 36 PUs; end with 45 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 1.67
Germans regular : 1.67

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[VictoryFirst]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 8 armour; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from Rumania to Ukraine S.S.R.
              Germans take Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians
        1 armour moved from East Poland to Baltic States
              Germans take Baltic States from Russians
        1 armour moved from Baltic States to East Poland
        1 bomber moved from Finland to Leningrad
        1 submarine moved from British Convoy 4 Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
        Strategic bombing raid in Leningrad
            Bombing raid in Leningrad rolls: 4 and costs: 4 PUs.
            Bombing raid costs 4 PUs
        Battle in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 2 submarines
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 7 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 7 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
            Germans win, taking U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Americans with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Hungary to East Poland
        1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to East Poland
        1 artillery and 21 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
        18 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        1 bomber moved from Leningrad to Germany

    Place Units - Germans
        8 armour placed in Germany
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Morocco: 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Algeria: 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 43 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -2,00
Germans regular : -2,00

Savegame

[DoManMacgee]

@VictoryFirst Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 bomber moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine S.S.R.
        5 armour moved from Belorussia to Baltic States
              Russians take Baltic States from Germans
        2 infantry moved from Leningrad to Karelia
        5 armour moved from Baltic States to Leningrad
        3 artilleries, 1 fighter and 27 infantry moved from Belorussia to Leningrad
        1 submarine moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to British Convoy 3 Sea Zone
              British take British Convoy 3 Sea Zone from Germans

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Russians attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
                Germans roll AA dice in Ukraine S.S.R. : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 bomber owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -12
            Casualties for Russians: 1 bomber
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 transport moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone

    Place Units - Russians
        6 infantry placed in Stalingrad

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 23 PUs; end with 24 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans AA : -0.17
Germans regular : 0.67
Russians regular : 1.17

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Algeria
        1 transport moved from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone to Northern Italy
              British take Northern Italy from Germans
        1 infantry moved from Vichy France to France
              British take France from Germans
        3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Leningrad
        1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Stalingrad
        1 armour moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone

    Combat - British
        Battle in Algeria
            British attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Algeria, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Algeria, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Algeria
                1 artillery owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Algeria
                British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 bomber in Algeria, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Algeria, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the British lost in Algeria
                1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Algeria
            British win, taking Algeria from Germans with 1 armour and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 bomber moved from Algeria to Gibraltar
        1 destroyer moved from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone to Azores Sea Sea Zone

    Place Units - British
        2 transports placed in Celtic Sea Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 25 PUs; end with 26 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.67
British regular : 0.67

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 9 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        4 fighters moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from United States to United Kingdom

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 4 fighters
            Germans defend with 1 battleship
                Americans roll dice for 4 fighters in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
                1 battleship owned by the Germans lost in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
            Americans win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter
            Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        3 fighters moved from British Convoy 2 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        3 fighters placed in United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 30 PUs; end with 39 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.00
Germans regular : 0.33

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[VictoryFirst]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 14 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 armour moved from East Poland to Baltic States
              Germans take Baltic States from Russians
        1 armour moved from Baltic States to Belorussia
              Germans take Belorussia from Russians
        9 armour, 9 artilleries and 39 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
        2 infantry moved from Austria to Northern Italy
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Northern Italy

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Northern Italy
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
            British defend with 1 factory and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Northern Italy
            Germans win, taking Northern Italy from British with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Germany
        8 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
        18 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
        1 submarine moved from U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone to British Convoy 4 Sea Zone
        5 fighters moved from Germany to East Poland

    Place Units - Germans
        14 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 36 PUs; end with 37 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0,00
British regular : -0,33

Savegame

[DoManMacgee]

@VictoryFirst Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 4 armour and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 artillery and 8 infantry moved from Karelia to Russia
        3 artilleries and 31 infantry moved from Leningrad to Russia
        6 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Turkestan
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Stalingrad
        1 submarine moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone
              British take British Convoy 1 Sea Zone from Germans
        1 armour and 1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone

    Combat - Russians

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Leningrad: 3 fighters
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Leningrad: 3 fighters
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Place Units - Russians
        4 armour and 1 infantry placed in Leningrad

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 21 PUs; end with 22 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 3 artilleries, 2 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 armour moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
              British take Netherlands-Belgium from Germans
        1 infantry moved from France to Eastern France
              British take Eastern France from Germans
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Denmark
              British take Denmark from Germans
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Denmark
        2 carriers and 3 fighters moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Syria
        1 transport moved from Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Algeria to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 transport moved from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Southern Italy
              British take Southern Italy from Germans
        1 destroyer moved from Azores Sea Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
              Americans take U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Germans

    Combat - British

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Turkestan

    Place Units - British
        1 transport placed in North Sea Sea Zone
        3 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 4 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Karelia: 1 aaGun
        3 fighters moved from United States to North Sea Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Russia
        3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Leningrad

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Leningrad: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Moscow: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Russia: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Place Units - Americans
        4 infantry placed in United States
        3 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 36 PUs; end with 39 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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I did not think you would break the script and walk forward. Let’s see what happens.

[VictoryFirst]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
            Germans captures 22PUs while taking Russians capital
        10 armour, 9 artilleries and 39 infantry moved from Belorussia to Moscow
              Germans take Moscow from Russians
        1 infantry moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
              Germans take Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians
        2 infantry moved from Germany to Netherlands-Belgium
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Netherlands-Belgium
        6 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
              Germans take Karelia from Russians

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Netherlands-Belgium
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
            British defend with 1 armour
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 armour in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the British lost in Netherlands-Belgium
            Germans win, taking Netherlands-Belgium from British with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for British: 1 armour

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Trigger GermanVictoryConditionsMet: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachmentGermanVictorySwitch attached to Germans
        1 bomber moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany
        8 armour moved from East Poland to Moscow
        17 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia

    Place Units - Germans
        12 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 36 PUs; end with 59 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0,00
British regular : -0,33

Savegame

[DoManMacgee]

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10% with USSR attacking Moscow was better than <1% with Germans attacking Moscow. GG.

[VictoryFirst]

@DoManMacgee

GG, go again? OOB or with balance rules this time?

[DoManMacgee]

@VictoryFirst Between the games with you + the games with TGC I am good to concede that my plan with the Fighters did not work (or at least, it has significant counterplay that can defeat mine as long as Germany deviates from the script of “winning on turn 6”)

We can do TGC’s balance suggestion. Under that alternate setup I am probably going to use a more “normal” plan as Allies as I do not feel Germany will have the overwhelming advantage they currently enjoy. We will see how it goes.

[VictoryFirst]

@DoManMacgee

Yes, I think OOB Europe is imbalanced in many ways. After the right strategy became apparent, so far I have only lost 1 game as Germany with OOB rules out of 13 games in total, and that loss was mainly caused by a combination of surprise (my opponent put 4 infantry in Bessarabia and I had never faced that bid before) and terrible dice.

Let’s play with the balance. Right now I am testing with Ragnell and TGC with an additional German infantry removed from Romania, not sure if you have tried that out before but it seems to have a positive effect on the balance.