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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris is speaking succinctly, and speaking for most of us,

We want to preserve the base ruleset as much as we can and if a player wants some modification and the other doesn’t, then the default is the actual out of the box rules. This has been agreed upon as a higher priority, so that OOB players interested in league can jump right in, and current or departing league players can seamlessly play OOB outside the league.

Bidding definitely creates the opportunity for more chaos and cheese, and of course any bid is a modification of the game start, but it is not changing any mechanics or rules of play after game start. If a player doesn’t like 40+ bids, he should propose alternatives to his opponent, who will often be agreeable.

This is where you can say, hey, let’s reduce German NO’s from 5 to 3 and then the bidding can be lower. In my latest game, after bidding started I realized I wanted to know where his bid was going to be, so I revealed mine and asked if he’d reveal his. Then I knew I wasn’t going to face a starting placement I wouldn’t like. So you can get creative with your opponent, but when you don’t agree, out of box rules are your fallback.

The default league rules are not effectively a restriction or a hindrance, they are a safeguard that protects players from being expected to play something other than out of the box, when they just want to play out of the box.

Pretty much total freedom is given to two players who want to doctor up any crazy modifications of out of the box they want, and the game will still be counted in out of the box league play, which is very lenient. Conceivably even a small band of players could be playing in OOB league play with all their unconventional rules, but as soon as they want to play someone else in the league who doesn’t want those rules, the league rules protect the “normal” player.
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Lebowsky {axis} vs simon33 (allies+16)

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TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 6
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History
Round: 6 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 carrier, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Non Combat Move - Americans 1 mech_infantry moved from French West Africa to French Equatorial Africa 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 transports moved from 87 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Western United States 1 carrier moved from 101 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 89 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 106 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone 1 armour, 4 fighters and 1 infantry moved from 89 Sea Zone to Southeast Mexico 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Southeast Mexico 1 artillery moved from Eastern United States to Central United States 1 carrier moved from 30 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands 4 fighters moved from Southeast Mexico to 89 Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 1 carrier, 3 fighters and 4 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone 2 infantry placed in Western United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 51 PUs; end with 52 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Combat Move - Chinese Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 0 PUs; end with 0 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery; Remaining resources: 8 PUs; Combat Move - British 2 fighters moved from India to Shan State 1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State 1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya British take Libya from Italians 1 bomber moved from Belgian Congo to India Combat - British Battle in Shan State British attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shan State British win, taking Shan State from Japanese with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - British 2 fighters moved from Shan State to India 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 74 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 71 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia 1 transport moved from 72 Sea Zone to 71 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo 2 infantry moved from Kenya to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 2 artilleries and 14 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia 3 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Egypt to Iraq 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Egypt to Northwest Persia Place Units - British 1 carrier placed in 71 Sea Zone 2 infantry placed in Union of South Africa 3 infantry placed in Persia 2 artilleries placed in Iraq Turn Complete - British British collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 40 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 1 artillery placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 7 PUs; end with 15 PUs Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 18 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 1 artillery
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Japanese regular : -0.33 British regular : -0.17
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2024 Playoff OOB Round 1 Pacifiers Board (+42) v Gamerman01

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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 7
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

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Round: 7 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 airfield, 1 carrier, 7 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 2 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux 1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone 2 artilleries moved from Finland to Norway 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Norway 1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland 4 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland 1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Baltic States 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 125 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Eastern Poland 1 armour moved from Novosibirsk to Yenisey Germans take Timguska from Russians Germans take Yenisey from Russians 1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Tambov Germans take Tambov from Russians 3 armour and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Novosibirsk to Samara 1 armour moved from Turkmenistan to Samara 1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Samara 1 mech_infantry moved from Persia to Eastern Persia Germans take Eastern Persia from British Combat - Germans Battle in Baltic States Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Samara Germans attack with 4 armour, 1 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 1 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys in Samara, round 2 : 3/13 hits, 3.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Samara Germans win, taking Samara from Russians with 4 armour, 1 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Eastern Poland Germans attack with 1 armour, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 1.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Eastern Poland Germans win, taking Eastern Poland from Russians with 1 armour, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in 125 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/6 hits, 3.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Americans, 1 carrier owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in 125 Sea Zone Germans win, taking 125 Sea Zone from Americans with 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 34 Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter Battle in Norway Germans attack with 2 artilleries and 1 fighter British defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 fighter in Norway, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in Norway, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Norway Germans win, taking Norway from British with 2 artilleries and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Germans attack with 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Normandy Bordeaux Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Americans with 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany 1 fighter moved from Norway to Denmark 2 fighters moved from 125 Sea Zone to Denmark 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Denmark 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Denmark 1 bomber moved from Baltic States to Western Germany 1 aaGun moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov 2 mech_infantrys moved from Northwest Persia to Rostov 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov 1 aaGun moved from Volgograd to Rostov 6 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Rostov 3 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Caucasus 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 125 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 fighter moved from 125 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Germany to Poland Place Units - Germans 1 airfield placed in Denmark 3 infantry placed in Volgograd 2 infantry placed in Ukraine 2 infantry placed in France 1 carrier, 1 submarine and 2 transports placed in 113 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 54 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 54 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 1 tactical_bomber EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 113 Sea Zone: 1 fighter EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 1 fighter EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 113 Sea Zone: 1 tactical_bomber EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -1.67 Russians regular : -1.33 Germans regular : 1.83 British regular : -0.33
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L24 OOB surfer (X) vs AndrewAAGamer (L+60) #1

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@AndrewAAGamer Nope. Not worth it.
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@GeneralDisarray I edited an italian blocker in the med as i somehow forgot to on their turn. the undo button gets me sometimes. The naval port in mexico was genius
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L24 BM4 Surfer (Allies+23) vs Avner (Axis)

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@Avner Oh, i absolutely don’t mind!! We’ve built up the entire game to have a battle…of course the fact that my side is favored makes it that much better :)
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L24 PtV Gorshak (Axis+10) vs ArtofWar1947 (Allies) #2

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Did not scramble to Austria because of the overwhelming odds.

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Round: 13 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 3 armour, 1 fighter, 5 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Romania 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania 7 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania 5 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland 1 fighter moved from Eastern Poland to Poland 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Romania 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Romania 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania Combat - Russians Battle in Austria Russians attack with 5 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers Germans defend with 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 5 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Austria, round 2 : 6/10 hits, 4.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Austria, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Austria Russians win, taking Austria from Germans with 5 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Battle in Romania Russians attack with 11 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 11 mech_infantrys Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 11 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 11 mech_infantrys in Romania, round 2 : 11/25 hits, 10.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Romania 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Romania Russians win, taking Romania from Germans with 11 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 11 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Poland Russians attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Germans defend with 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Poland, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 3.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Poland Russians win, taking Poland from Germans with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania 1 aaGun moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania 3 aaGuns, 6 artilleries and 31 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Northern Belarus 6 infantry moved from Russia to Yaroslavl 1 infantry moved from Northern Sinkiang to Kansu 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Sinkiang to Inner Mongolia 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Urals to Kansu 1 infantry moved from Urals to Timguska 2 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Tsagaan Olom 12 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Leningrad 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Poland to Leningrad 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Austria to Eastern Poland 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Inner Mongolia Place Units - Russians 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Urals 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Ukraine 1 armour, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 51 PUs; end with 51 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 54 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 56 PUs Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 12 PUs; end with 68 PUs
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Germans regular : -0.67 Russians regular : 4.00
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League General Discussion Thread

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@crockett36

Thank you for the suggestions you put thought into. January is the time for league rule changes, yes.
It is intriguing to consider different “flavors of the year”, but

“No” to standard bids set.
Individual player game by game bids are preferred because of individual and unique player strategies, it changes up the game, sometimes a LOT (you mentioned stale). It would actually be more stale if the starting set up was largely dictated to everyone for a year. Guard rail not needed, inexperienced player can just look at what the successful players bid

Players can agree to almost any modification for their game, so all kinds of customization and fun is allowed, and this is true even in the playoffs. But this is game by game so that everyone can count on the standard, out of the box experience without having them altered uninvited by others

If you have some consensus with multiple other league members on a change, or depending on the nature of your change, it is certainly possible to effect a change in rules. I give the people what they want, and I don’t think your suggestions so far will be welcomed by the majority. I reconsider if some of you start to coagulate

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