L22 #1 trulpen (X+6) vs ArtofWar1947 (A) P2V

[ArtofWar1947]

@trulpen Max D: sink 3 CV (6 hits), DD (1), & Tac (1).

[ArtofWar1947]

@artofwar1947

I have received two Marti messages for US round 2: The first showed 7 hits; the second only 6 hits. Why so?

[trulpen]

Don’t know, perhaps attack and defence?

[ArtofWar1947]

@trulpen

Both have the subject: trulpen vs artofwar P2V:Americans roll dice for 3 carriers, 1 destroyer, 5 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 2. So it definitely was not attack and defense.

[trulpen]

I’ll check. I didn’t see any double rolls.

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[trulpen]

Game History

Round: 22

   Research Technology - Germans



   Purchase Units - Germans

       Germans repair damage of 4x airfield; Remaining resources: 88 PUs; 

       Germans buy 2 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 fighters, 6 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 



   Combat Move - Germans

       1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Archangel

             Germans take Archangel from Russians

       32 artilleries and 58 infantry moved from Leningrad to Vyborg

             Germans take Vyborg from Russians

       1 bomber moved from Stalingrad to 97 Sea Zone

       1 fighter moved from Ukraine to 97 Sea Zone

       1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to 97 Sea Zone

       2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 97 Sea Zone

       2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from France to 97 Sea Zone

       2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone

       1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Sakha

             Germans take Buryatia from Americans

             Germans take Sakha from Americans



   Combat - Germans

       Americans scrambles 1 units out of 99 Sea Zone to defend against the attack in 97 Sea Zone

       Battle in 97 Sea Zone

           Germans attack with 2 bombers, 8 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers; Italians loiter and taunt

           British defend with 1 fighter; Americans defend with 3 carriers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport

               Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 8 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 8/14 hits, 7,67 expected hits

               Americans roll dice for 3 carriers, 1 destroyer, 5 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/11 hits, 5,17 expected hits

               1 destroyer owned by the Americans, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans, 4 fighters owned by the Germans, 1 bomber owned by the Germans and 3 carriers owned by the Americans lost in 97 Sea Zone

               Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 : 6/9 hits, 5,17 expected hits

               Americans roll dice for 5 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 : 4/6 hits, 3,83 expected hits

               1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans, 1 bomber owned by the Germans, 4 fighters owned by the Americans, 3 tactical_bombers owned by the Germans and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone

               1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 97 Sea Zone

           Germans win with 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 38

           Casualties for Germans: 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers

           Casualties for Americans: 3 carriers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport

           Casualties for British: 1 fighter



   Non Combat Move - Germans

       Turning on Edit Mode

       EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

       1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy

       EDIT: 1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy

       1 artillery moved from Western Germany to 116 Sea Zone

       1 artillery moved from Western Germany to 116 Sea Zone

       1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Denmark to 116 Sea Zone

       3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 5 transports moved from 116 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone

       3 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from 118 Sea Zone to Vyborg

       1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from France to Western Germany

       1 aaGun and 11 infantry moved from Rostov to Northern Caucasus

       1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Northern Caucasus

       3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov

       2 artilleries moved from Stalingrad to Northern Caucasus

       1 infantry moved from Samara to Stalingrad

       1 infantry moved from Urals to Kazakhstan

       1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Komi to Vologda

       1 infantry moved from Gorky to Samara

       3 infantry moved from Russia to Samara

       1 fighter moved from Russia to Northern Caucasus

       2 aaGuns and 1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Russia

       1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Timguska

       3 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary

       2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy



   Place Units - Germans

       3 artilleries placed in Stalingrad

       3 infantry placed in Ukraine

       3 infantry placed in Russia

       2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Leningrad

       3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western Germany



   Turn Complete - Germans

       Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2

           Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,2,3,6,4,6,6,4

       Germans collect 66 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 67 PUs

       Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 70 PUs

       Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 75 PUs

       Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 90 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0,00

Germans regular : 1,17

[trulpen]

@artofwar1947 said in L22 #1 trulpen (X+6) vs ArtofWar1947 (A) P2V:

@trulpen

Both have the subject: trulpen vs artofwar P2V:Americans roll dice for 3 carriers, 1 destroyer, 5 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 2. So it definitely was not attack and defense.

I don’t know. Must be some bug of sorts. Haven’t made any re-rolls or seen anything looking like it while doing battle.

[ArtofWar1947]

@trulpen

Did you try to run a sim/local game and by accident played by forum?

[trulpen]

It’s pretty weird. Perhaps I should report it?

@Panther1 @gamerman01

[trulpen]

@artofwar1947 said in L22 #1 trulpen (X+6) vs ArtofWar1947 (A) P2V:

@trulpen

Did you try to run a sim/local game and by accident played by forum?

Nope.

[ArtofWar1947]

@trulpen

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[ArtofWar1947]

@trulpen

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[trulpen]

L22 #1 trulpen (+6) vs AoW P2V.tsvg

Game History

Round: 22

   Purchase Units - Japanese

       Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 9 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 



   Combat Move - Japanese

       2 infantry moved from Eastern India to Central India

       2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern India to Central India

       1 infantry moved from Eastern India to Western India

             Japanese take Western India from UK_Pacific

       2 bombers moved from Eastern India to Northern Sinkiang

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Inner Mongolia to Northern Sinkiang

       4 artilleries and 13 infantry moved from Kansu to Northern Sinkiang

       1 infantry moved from Eastern Sinkiang to Northern Sinkiang

       1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Amur to Siberia

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Siberia

       1 transport moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone

       2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone

       2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone

       2 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Siberia

       1 infantry moved from Dutch New Guinea to New Guinea

             Japanese take New Guinea from ANZAC

       1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone

       1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone

       1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

       1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone

       1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone

       1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Davao to 36 Sea Zone

       1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

       1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 35 Sea Zone

       1 infantry moved from Paulau to 35 Sea Zone

       1 cruiser, 2 infantry, 1 marine and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

       1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 marine moved from 43 Sea Zone to Java

       2 fighters moved from 36 Sea Zone to Java

       3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone

       2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone

       1 fighter moved from Davao to 56 Sea Zone

       1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone



   Combat - Japanese

       Battle in 43 Sea Zone

           Japanese attack with 1 cruiser, 1 submarine and 2 transports

           Americans defend with 1 transport

               1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 43 Sea Zone

           Japanese win with 1 cruiser, 1 submarine and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6

           Casualties for Americans: 1 transport

       Battle in 38 Sea Zone

           Japanese attack with 1 submarine

           Americans defend with 1 transport

               1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 38 Sea Zone

           Japanese win, taking 38 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6

           Casualties for Americans: 1 transport

       Battle in 132 Sea Zone

           Japanese attack with 1 submarine

           ANZAC defend with 3 transports

               3 transports owned by the ANZAC lost in 132 Sea Zone

           Japanese win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18

           Casualties for ANZAC: 3 transports

       Battle in 56 Sea Zone

           Japanese attack with 4 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers

           ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer

               Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 56 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits

               ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 56 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits

               1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC and 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 56 Sea Zone

           Japanese win with 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2

           Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine

           Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer

       Battle in 47 Sea Zone

           Japanese attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers

           ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer

               Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 47 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits

               ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 47 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits

               1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 47 Sea Zone

           Japanese win with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8

           Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer

       Battle in Java

           Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 marine

           Americans defend with 1 infantry

               Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 marine in Java, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 2,33 expected hits

               Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Java, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits

               1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Java

           Japanese win, taking Java from Americans with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 marine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3

           Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

       Battle in Siberia

           Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber

           Americans defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry

               Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Siberia, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2,17 expected hits

               Americans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Siberia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits

               1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Siberia

               Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Siberia, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 2,00 expected hits

               Americans roll dice for 1 armour in Siberia, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits

               1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 armour owned by the Americans lost in Siberia

           Japanese win, taking Siberia from Americans with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3

           Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

           Casualties for Americans: 1 armour and 1 infantry

       Battle in Central India

           Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber

           British defend with 1 infantry

               Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Central India, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2,00 expected hits

               UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Central India, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits

               1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Central India

           Japanese win, taking Central India from UK_Pacific with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0

           Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

           Casualties for British: 1 infantry

       Battle in Northern Sinkiang

           Japanese attack with 4 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 14 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber

           Chinese defend with 1 fighter and 16 infantry

               Japanese roll dice for 4 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 14 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Sinkiang, round 2 : 7/22 hits, 6,50 expected hits

               Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 16 infantry in Northern Sinkiang, round 2 : 3/17 hits, 6,00 expected hits

               3 infantry owned by the Japanese and 7 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Northern Sinkiang

               Japanese roll dice for 4 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 11 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Sinkiang, round 3 : 4/19 hits, 6,00 expected hits

               Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 9 infantry in Northern Sinkiang, round 3 : 4/10 hits, 3,67 expected hits

               4 infantry owned by the Japanese and 4 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Northern Sinkiang

               Japanese roll dice for 4 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Sinkiang, round 4 : 5/15 hits, 5,33 expected hits

               Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 5 infantry in Northern Sinkiang, round 4 : 2/6 hits, 2,33 expected hits

               2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 5 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Northern Sinkiang

               Japanese roll dice for 4 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Sinkiang, round 5 : 7/13 hits, 5,00 expected hits

               Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter in Northern Sinkiang, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits

               1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 fighter owned by the Chinese lost in Northern Sinkiang

           Japanese win, taking Northern Sinkiang from Chinese with 4 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 28

           Casualties for Japanese: 10 infantry

           Casualties for Chinese: 1 fighter and 16 infantry



   Non Combat Move - Japanese

       2 bombers moved from Northern Sinkiang to Kansu

       1 infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Kansu

       1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Eastern Sinkiang

       1 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol

       1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar

       1 infantry moved from Chahar to Inner Mongolia

       1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Honan

       1 infantry moved from Honan to Tsinghai

       2 infantry moved from Burma to Eastern India

       1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State

       1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State

       3 infantry moved from Yunnan to Shan State

       1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

       1 infantry moved from Hopei to Szechwan

       1 infantry moved from Hopei to Szechwan

       1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei

       1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan

       1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kweichow

       1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Hunan

       1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China

       1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi

       3 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe

       1 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Amur

       1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone

       3 carriers and 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

       2 fighters moved from Java to 43 Sea Zone

       7 carriers, 1 destroyer and 7 submarines moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

       3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 47 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

       4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 56 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

       1 fighter moved from Central India to Eastern India

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Central India to French Indo China

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Sinkiang to Tsinghai

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Siberia to 6 Sea Zone

       1 submarine moved from 7 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone

       1 destroyer moved from 21 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

       1 aaGun, 4 armour, 27 artilleries, 47 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern India to Western India

       2 submarines moved from 40 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone



   Place Units - Japanese

       1 carrier placed in 6 Sea Zone

       1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Eastern India

       1 fighter placed in French Indo China

       1 destroyer placed in 21 Sea Zone

       1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 21 Sea Zone

       2 infantry placed in French Indo China

       3 infantry placed in Shantung

       3 infantry placed in Japan



   Turn Complete - Japanese

       Japanese collect 75 PUs; end with 75 PUs

       Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 78 PUs

       Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 83 PUs

       Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 88 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -2,67

Americans regular : 0,33

Japanese regular : -1,00

UK_Pacific regular : 0,67

ANZAC regular : 0,33

[ArtofWar1947]

@trulpen

Scramble to defend SZ 97

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[trulpen]

No, why would I?

[ArtofWar1947]

@trulpen

Given the astounding good fortune of the Italian air raid on the US fleet in SZ 97 last turn, it is not outside the realm of possibility that a scramble could have inflicted 4 or more hits, (nearly) all of which could not be absorbed by the sub.

[ArtofWar1947]

@trulpen

Another factor in scrambling is that the US power in SZ was only 16, which should translate into 3.67 hits, two of which could be absorbed by the Italian CV. If the US underperformed, this would leave 3 fighters (and possibly even a wounded CV), making 5 or 6 hits a not unrealistic possibility.

In any case, the US got 3 hits on Italian land forces. Do you want to take out the two AA and bomber or something else?

[trulpen]

I’ll check for casualties.

[trulpen]

There’s some far fetched logic to your asking, but maximizing odds in S Italy totally trumps a long shot at making some counter-damage in z97. Just my 2 cents. But fair enough, you are well adviced to put forth the question if your in any way uncertain. And better to be sure, than having to fix and redo things afterwards.

[trulpen]

Take out 3 inf.