Why is AA42 being hated by everyone? I just bought a copy. Sigh.

[tekkyy]

@thetoof:

all they have to play is the various versions of “Risk” out there….I can’t even look at that game anymore now that I’ve discovered Axis and Allies.

Yeah one game of Risk got into Axis and Allies.

@Deaths:

No tech is retarded, No National Advantages is retarded

I am guessing Larry wouldn’t be upset if you just used AAR/LHTR Tech or NAs.

I totally see what they are trying to do here. Rewritten the rule book. Took away these extras.
The length rule book is a turn off for new comers. The core game really can be covered in like 4 pages.

[Krieghund]

@tekkyy:

The core game really can be covered in like 4 pages.

That, I’d like to see.

[scampb]

Hey Saltz, you did fine with AA42.  It is AAR (revised) with AA50 rules (anniversary edition) at a lesser cost.  Play it and enjoy it.  If they get around to reprinting AA50 you can buy a copy of it then, it is awesome.  But not everybody has it as they did not print enough copies (in the opinion of those posting on the board that were not able to get their hands on a copy).  Once you have a bunch of games under your belt and you got the feeling of the AA games you can buy AA Pacific 1940 (coming before Christmas) and AA Europe 1940 (coming Summer 2010).  Once you have both games you can combine them into one HUGE global game like AA42.  Have fun!  :-D

[Bardoly]

@thetoof:

Wild Bill is right, AA Revised was actualy my first introduction to the game though, but I bought that a week before AA42 came out so instinctively since it was the “new” version to replace the basic revised game I picked that up, mainly because they added the cruiser unit and I wanted to have more flexibility with navy and the extra unit. So right now I’m using AA42 with extra pieces from AAR (extra infantry, tanks, artillery, fighters, bombers and any naval pieces that dont use a new sculpt, chips, control markers, and the dice cause they look better). I’ve introduced all my friends to this game since nobody except for one person has played Axis and Allies, the other person that has played hasnt played since the classic version and doesn’t own a copy themself so its exciting for them to have a group of friends that are interested in playing.

I found this game to be so much fun that I decided to bite the bullet and purchase a copy of AA50 off of EBay because I know that our group of friends are going to enjoy the bigger setup and my girlfriend especialy is excited that Italy is an additional axis force, before all she liked to do was watch the game but now she is interested in playing as long as she can be Italy lol.

I haven’t owned an Axis and Allies game for longer than a month so far and I’m already “upgrading” to AA50 because I already want more and want to get the fullest enjoyment out of our group as possible and I want to include my girlfriend into the gaming experience, even though I already bought AAR and AA42 it all still feels like money well spent because not only do I have so many extra pieces to work with now but I feel like I’m contributing to the future success of the franchise for many years to come.

AA42 I highly recommend to new players to introduce them to the game. It may not be everything that the veteran players are wanting to see in an AA game but it will produce many more future “veterans” who are going to want to get their hands on AAP40 and AAE40 when those finally do get released, or may even go the extra mile and try and find an AA50 for their groups, and for $30US its a steal as opposed to almost $50US that revised was priced at (at least if you were purchasing retail from a Barnes and Noble for instance).

New players will certainly find enjoyment in this game, especially if strategy games are hard to come by in their area and all they have to play is the various versions of “Risk” out there….I can’t even look at that game anymore now that I’ve discovered Axis and Allies.

Well said.  +1 Karma

Oh, and by the way, welcome to Axis and Allies.org! to both you and Saltz

[tekkyy]

@Krieghund:

@tekkyy:

The core game really can be covered in like 4 pages.

That, I’d like to see.

hehe you know what I mean
I did say “core” right?

roughly…
revised was 40 pages
rules start at page 9 (after explaning everything like dice and player colours…)
appendix starts at 24
15 pages in the middle

exclude pretty graphics then maybe 8
take away all the " *** should I *** ? " sections then maybe 6 pages

if I have the time I’ll probably have a crack at making a 4 pages “quick start” sheet to get more of my friends to play

if I get excited I could probably sponsor a competition for the best “quick start” sheet from the community
but there are probably copyright issues seeing the TripleA open source project got hurt

[gamerman01]

Hehe - +1 to you for sticking up for your point and backing it up.  I like it.
+1 to Krieg for being our nice A&A answer guy.  He’s so helpful.

[gamerman01]

@saltz:

I’m a completely new AA player. I just bought AA42, and am seeing people don’t like it very much.
By the way, what the hell is with the empty space in the box?  i lift up the map, rulebook etc, and under it is a huge box of nothing.  Most of the space inside the box is wasted. AM I MISSING SOMETHING?  is something supposed to be there? Because it’s covered up nicely as well, giving me the impression something didn’t get shipped properly…

My classic game is exactly the same.  I was wondering why they wasted half the space.  It takes up twice as much room in my closet as it needs.  I’ve always thought they’re trying to make it look like you’re getting more for your $$.
I’m a big fan of research & development in A&A (aka “tech”), so if all I had was this 1942 game, I would go on-line (if you don’t know the tech rules already) and use tech rules.  I believe I speak for many when I say, “if it ain’t got tech, it ain’t A&A”  This is one major reason people “don’t like it very much” (AA42).  The biggest reason is because we have AA50, and we’re looking forward to AAP and AAE.  If you can eat steak, why go back to hamburgers?

[Krieghund]

Oh, I see what you’re saying, Tekkyy.  You’re talking about more of a reference sheet or player aid than a rulebook.  Yeah, I think four pages would cover it.

[tekkyy]

Yeah 4 pages would make it approachable. It’ll be almost as quick as teaching people Settlers of Catan.

I like AA1942. (credit to AA50 rules team) It nicely dealt with some of the main undesired situations AAR house rules wanted to resolve.

transport fodder
sub stall
SBR bleed
flat SBR defense

It came with a price cut too (I think, RRP $65 vs. $80 in Australia) while improving unit pieces. Nice.
Plenty of board games at this price point only give you cubes and rectangles to represent whatever.

[Deaths Head 420]

@tekkyy:

but there are probably copyright issues seeing the TripleA open source project got hurt

Which is a Major load of Legal Bull Shet.  Triplea Was the best thing since Sliced bread. Got a new computer and went to DL it, and found the Letter from Hasbro.  I almost cried. Tried Dl’ing from Media Fire. Not happening, I think I felt a tear.  :cry:

If any body Knows how to Down load it, Please, please, Let me Know

Thanks

[Pariah]

If you go through the forums on triplea you can find a link to the files still (at least I did) that users posted

although there is still no running lobby.  :x

[tekkyy]

Krieghund, is AA1942 using AA50 rules exactly?

or are you making a comparison table like the one you made for AA50 vs. LHTR vs. Revised ?

[Krieghund]

Other than obvious things (Italy, China, turn order), the only real difference is in how new units that can’t be placed are treated.  In Anniversary they remained in the Mobilization Zone until they could be placed.  In '42, you get a cash refund for them.

[Bjergmose]

The real difference for me is in the sculpts.
I don´t understand why they use the same sculpts, but they
aren´t as crisp and fine-cut as AE50.
Is there really any money-making in cutting that small corner?
I mean it´s obviously the same sculpt…why not do it right?

[tekkyy]

Cool, Krieghund. Thats great.
Besides the four I noted, also like the 1-to-1 bombardment and reduced carrier defense.
(I am a bit slow. Haven’t touched on the game for months and only catching up on AA50 rules now.)

Would be nice if someone owning AAR, AA50, and AA1942 can take some photo with units side by side.
I am hearing conflicting reports about AA1942’s sculpt quality lol.

[Krieghund]

This is the first time that I’ve heard anyone say that the Anniversary pieces are superior to the '42 ones.

[Bjergmose]

I think AE is superior in their details  :-)
But a lot of AE ship-bottoms (?) was uneven.

I have painted both revised and AE and when I look at ´42 they all
seem blurred.

Example;
the US bomber has some doors/hatches/whatever just behind the wings
and it is clear to see in AE but ´42 it is just a blur on the sides.

I don´t know if Capt.Kiwi bought ´42 and is reading this. Then I would like his opinion.
Or anyone else who has painted  :-)

It is not the end of the world I just don´t understand why.