TripleA still up and running! Many players online.

[Lucifer]

It is a matter of fact that using tech means more randomness, but this will not matter in the long run. Agree or disagree?

Tech and/or ADS/LL and every other variant does not have a greater influence on players skills level, it’s the total statistics that matter. To put it very simple, I’m not a better or lesser player than you b/c I prefer no tech, I’m a better or lesser player than you if I win or lose more games against you, for a certain number of games. This has nothing to do with tech or no tech, b/c it’s the total number of wins and losses which determines who is the better player. How can I explain this any simpler? You are obsessed with tech or no tech, but this aspect has no relevance at all. All that matters is that in whatever setting is used, for a certain number of games, the better player is the one who wins more than he/she loses. Tech or no tech is absolutely irrelevant in deciding the players skills. And this is not about my or your opininon, it’s as simple as the best player will win in the long run.
Tech or no tech is irrelevant for playing skills, as is LL or ADS, it’s the number of wins and losses which determines the best players regardless of if the games are with tech or no tech.

And it is not about how I feel or how you feel, it’s about empirical data. I don’t like tech, and you prefer tech, but this matter is not about feelings, it’s about facts. The better player will win regardless of tech or no tech. And I can assure you, that the best A&A players who prefer LL and no tech, are also very good in ADS and tech, but I doubt that they will waste their time by showing you this simple fact.

[bugoo]

Can we please talk about Hasbro shutting down tripleA instead of debating tech it yet ANOTHER thread.

[Lucifer]

@bugoo, I totally agree, now, how about a $5 unit bid for allies, AA50 41 +NO, LL, no tech game, I’m axis  :evil:  :-)

Sometimes I have a hard time controlling my feelings…  :oops:

But I don’t think TripleA will be shut down, not even with the A&A maps included, it’s just a pity that the development process has been halted. I really like to see a stable 1.0.4. with AA50.

[Nix]

Is there a game lobby for trippla anywhere? IRC etc?

[Veqryn]

Whats with the apathy here?
I thought you guys liked Axis and Allies.  Who cares if like TripleA or not, send Hasbro an email before they crush more of our community!

[Jennifer]

As I said, personal opinion Subo.  Obviously, no generalization will cover the minutia of numerous players and playing styles. However, it does cover my EXPERIENCE with players.  MOST players I have played that refuse to play tech, when they finally DO play a tech game, usually lose.  Not because I get a killer tech, but because their skill is lacking.  They need a static game where the rules do not change to win.  It’s like Hasbro.  They need the competition killed to create a static playing field where the rules do not change so they can win.

Doesn’t make the player who refuses to play with tech a bad person anymore than Hasbro refusing to allow competition being a bad company.  It just is.  Neither seem to be able to compete on an open and free playing field, one that allows competition to make them build a better product or one that forces the player to open his or her mind to knew ideas and new strategies.

[Woodstock]

@SgtBlitz:

Thanks for the email links Veqryn, sent emails off to all those bastards at WoTC and Hasbro.  The amount of apathy on these forums is astonishing; Hasbro threatens a DMCA takedown to a freely hosted fanservice of one of their lesser sold products, and the majority of people just flame it into oblivion and even suggest that the program sucked anyway and deserved to be shut down…  When Hasbro comes after your AABattlemap and Mapview programs next, don’t expect much support from me… :cry:

Let’s get everyone on the same page here, dammit!  Refuse to buy any Hasbro products and let them know that what they are doing is infuriating their fan base by clamping down on fan-made freeware!  If they had made a superior product that was worthy of  attention that’d be one thing, but threatening copyright infringement on a freeware game that has a total of 300 users worldwide is ridiculous.  Most of you out there apparently don’t even like TripleA, even though somehow it was popular enough to have been shut down.

Definitely NOT buying AA1942 after Hasbro has completely eliminated any chance of me having fun with the Axis and Allies franchise anymore.  People in town don’t play the boardgame, they can’t stay around for 12 hours to play one game, plus you can’t save those games anyway to pick up later.  TripleA was the easiest way for me to find matches in their online lobby and ran generally flawlessly for me.  THEY HAD A WORKING VERSION OF AA50 THAT I WANTED TO USE FOR THE TECH TOURNEY.  So F*** you, Hasbro, never buying one of your products again.

Hopefully we’ll get somewhere with this, Veqryn, as we apparently are the only ones who give a rats a**.  I just can’t understand the total lack of support from the Axis and Allies Community, as they apparently will use ANY thread to pointlessly debate about Technology rules while Hasbro gleefully pulls the rug out from under them.

Quoted for support. +1 karma there.
I am stunned to see that some people keep on going off-topic, pushing me their opinion down my throat, as if it were the truth.

[Lucifer]

@ Jennifer, we should make another thread for our discussion, but there is no such thing as a static game in A&A, b/c every single game is different, regardless of what rules are being used.

As for the campaign against TripleA, this has been slowing down the development of TripleA, but TripleA is not down yet, and probalby will not be shut down in the future either.

[Romulus]

I believe that the only important thing proposed in this thread is the idea of sending an email to Hasbro explaining why TripleA is a benefit for them!

The discussione about tech and other belongs to other threads. (They are interesting but here are not the place to discuss those ideas)

[Jennifer]

Sent you a PM Subo.  I think you are confused on my meaning.

[DarthMaximus]

I think it is a shame what happen to TripleA.  I actually liked the graphics for the latest Revised one.  I didn’t get the AA50 yet, was waiting for stable release.

I have to say the TripleA developers were/are great, in the past they included the function to post turns directly to the forum which was extremely helpful.  Not sure if that was still active though.  But still they were open to anything that would help on-line play.  IMO any aesthetics issues (graphics) were secondary to the fact that it made on-line play very easy.

[Lucifer]

@ Jennifer, yes we can either have that discussion on pm, or another thread.

As for TripleA, I don’t think it will be shut down, I think/hope that the developing process can continue, but not at sourceforge. And a stable 1.0.4 including AA50 is not far away. The devs can also continue the bug fixing on their own, and releasing the updates, and/or a stable version when it is finished.

It’s been a week since the DMCA takedown notice, and TripleA stable+unstable has had over 600 downloads until now.

Maybe Hasbro/Wotc will release a software version, but I don’t believe it until I see it.

[Jennifer]

If they do release a new version of their software, I hope it is at least stable enough to host a 5 player game!  The MSN Gaming zone just could not! (It did great for X-Wing vs TIE Fighter though!)

[Romulus]

Me and my friends are using the unstable versione 1.0.3.4 and it works really well. There are some bugs to solve, for example about the fleet movement.

We are also sending the email proposed by Veqryn at the email addresses he provided.

I hope that a lot of people join this initiative TripleA developers deserve at least a minimum effort in trying to explain how they have contributed to the A&A community even if they are not Hasbro employee and do not allow Hasbro to make money directly.

[SgtBlitz]

Man, looks like this thread is pretty much dead.  At least the TripleA lobby is still up and running.  aabigdog44 could you put that info about the electronic rights to axis and allies belonging to Atari on the TripleA development site?  I’ll link your post on the forums to it.

[Veqryn]

I suggest you slightly change my email message or write a new version.  Unless we can get a shit-ton of people to spam petition emails to hasbro (doubtful given the current complete lack of enthusiasm), personalized and empathetic emails will suit our case much better.

Thank you to anyone who sent emails.

[Romulus]

I have made only a slight modification, but from mine group of friend (users of our italian forum) we are sending quite the same email.

I am trying to convince the most people is possible.

[bongaroo]

I’ve sent some emails to explain my dismay.  Hasbro can say bye bye to any further purchases from me.

[Lucifer]

The issue here is that:

The chimps at Wotc won’t help any hypothetical upcoming official software game release with that letter to shutdown TripleA, b/c TripleA will be changed in some small details, so it will still live on and evolve, if the coders want to work on it. The only way Hasbro/Wotc can out-compete or get rid of TripleA is by making a better product.

But the chimps at Wotc can’t read, so they have not read the Origin of the Species. They don’t know what evolution is. The way the laws of the nature works is that you don’t get rid of competition by man made law, but to evolve better than the competitors, adapt or die. The laws of nature are much more relevant than judicial laws.

That’s why there’s a great chance that any official software version from Hasbro/Wotc will not be better than TripleA.
What to expect from chimps, I mean, we departed from the chimps 5.000.000 years ago, but there are some leftovers, like Hasbro/Wotc employees.

[Imperious Leader]

The issue here is that:

The chimps at Wotc won’t help any hypothetical upcoming official software game release with that letter to shutdown TripleA, b/c TripleA will be changed in some small details, so it will still live on and evolve, if the coders want to work on it. The only way Hasbro/Wotc can out-compete or get rid of TripleA is by making a better product.

But the chimps at Wotc can’t read, so they have not read the Origin of the Species. They don’t know what evolution is. The way the laws of the nature works is that you don’t get rid of competition by man made law, but to evolve better than the competitors, adapt or die. The laws of nature are much more relevant than judicial laws.

That’s why there’s a great chance that any official software version from Hasbro/Wotc will not be better than TripleA.
What to expect from chimps, I mean, we departed from the chimps 5.000.000 years ago, but there are some leftovers, like Hasbro/Wotc employees.

My god man i love your style!

This prose is a beautiful use of sarcasm. Keep up the chimp talk. Id love it for WOTC to become associated with chimps in the everyday lexicon of common usage as payback for the angst they have caused the public for such shortsighted and stupid practices. I have started this trend a number of years ago. If you google WOTC chimps you will find a number of my posts.

I would hope that WOTC is always addressed ….as Chimps