ugh, he’s not liberal folks. people may try very hard to get others to think this, but its just not true.
obama’s words jen. but in 2007…he was ranked the top LIBERAL democratic senator.
take that. enough of the obama’s more conservative than McCain nonsense.
http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/
i cant be the only one to notice all your incorrect rantings about McCain.
Gee, because the guy has Democrat next to his name, he MUST be a liberal and just because someone else has a Republican name tag he MUST e a conservative.
I love your black and white world where the actions of people can be completely ignored and replaced with warm platitudes and fuzzy catch phrases on the campaign trail.
As for me, and a lot of republicans, we’ll look at how McCain voted and what bills he co-authored to determine how liberal he is, and on that front, he’s one of the most liberal senators this nation has ever seen. (Though, FDR and Ted Kennedy, etc have him beat.)
well, due to my sources, you cant go on saying how conservative obama is.
my God, you really think he’s one of the most liberal senators in history?(McCain).
go drink more romney koolaid please.
do you ever listen to yourself? you’d be amazed. How on earth could ANYBODY in a rational mind even come close to saying that without knowing its just not true.
For the past three decades the conservatives in this nation have been taking their party and assembling a conservative movement against political correctness, for conservative values in our schools (as defined as a focus on math, science, linguist skills, etc), a restoration of our culture and now, after being betrayed by one of the more liberal Republican presidents in recent history, we are actually going to look to another President Bush as the savior of the party?
In many states it is now good politics to call yourself a conservative, even if you truely resemble the platform of the liberals. I call these people pretenders, however, they are currently called Compassionate Conservatives, a phrase that was coined by President Bush 43, I believe. How does he manage to get away with this blatant misslabelling of himself? Popularity and charisma. In reality, John McCain is far to the left of John Kerry and Barrack Obama. Though, when compared to Mrs. Clinton, he does appear conservative.
Yes, Mr. McCain is a Vietnam veteran. We appreciate that. However, so is John Kerry. Service to your nation fades in glory when you attempt to wear it as a shield to deflect yourself from warranted attacks on your record! But, as long as he can play the POW/Veteran card, he will attempt to use it to downplay his other short comings.
And, once one gets past McCain’s bluster and pomp, his true liberal character crops up. Outside marrital matters, McCain has sided with the American Left on almost every key issue. The most ridiculous thing is that McCain is packaging himself as the heir apparent to the Reagan mantle when that is almost as disingenuous as when President Clinton told us that he “did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monika Lewinski.”
First, in regards to religion (a touchy subject for our party, evidenced that Huckabee and Romney split the vote, if Huckabee was Protestant, I think he would have taken it all, if Huckabee had been a little less religious zealot, more conservative, he would have taken it all), McCain is no lover of Christians. I recall some of his comments about key religious leaders in 2000, calling them, and I quote, “agents of intolerance.” But his vilification of Christians is not really limited to just this single occurence, which could be explained away as him having a bad day, no, he said later “I must not and will not retract anything that I said in that speech at Virginia Beach. It was CAREFULLY CRAFTED, it was carefully thought out.” (Hardball 3/1/2000). But now we are to believe he’s seen the light and is pro-Christian? Really?
How about gay marriage? In 2005 John McCain opposed a federal gay-marriage ban (Los Angeles Times, 1/25 and 3/8). However now he “suddenly” realizes that most Americans do not support the idea of gay marraige at this time? Funny, in Meet the Press, 4/2/2006, John McCain says he supports the gay-marriage ban.
And in regards to abortion, John McCain is most assuredly pro-choice. In the San Francisco Chronicle (8/20/99) McCain sided with the pro-abortion camp and stated that over turning Roe v Wade would lead to illegal abortions and unwanted children. (BTW, abortion rates are dropping and there’s no influx of illegal abortions nor unwanted children….) But now that he’s running for President, he’s completely shifted his stance on the issue (or says he has) and is attempting to sell himself as pro-life.
Then there is campaign-finance reform which is perhaps one of the most left-wing pieces of legislation passed by the Congress in the past twenty years and is a blatant restriction on political speech, a violation of the first amendment of the Constitution. Not the 26th amendment, THE FIRST ONE. The one the founders thought was MOST IMPORTANT.
But that’s okay, because he’s never worked with the Republican party on legislation. The party won’t take him! Or so it seems. He’s only co-authored with Democrats, so it seems the Democrats will use him as long as he’s doing what they want. I wonder if they would side with him if he accidentally pushed for something conservative? I doubt it.
Let’s push on and talk about immigration. Mr. McCain is for the unregistering, amnesty of over 12 million people in this nation, no questions asked. He’s pushed for it twice in the last 6 years. But there’s quite a few issues with that. What’s to stop Al Queda from sending in operatives and having them claim to be illegals from Mexico and filing for amnesty? There’s no checks! You show up, you file a piece of paper, and suddenly you are a US Citizen. There’s your domestic security from a “Conservative” like John McCain. Oh, wait, now he’s saying he wants security FIRST then amnesty…but, did he solve the problem yet? No. But he’s doing a good job of giving lip-service to conservativism while pandering to the ethnicities of foreigners who do not even have the right to vote (ala Democrat Party.)
The laundry list goes on, and on, and on, and on. I’ve yet to see any significant piece of legislation of vote that McCain has taken that could seriously be considered conservative in the common usage. Sure, he voted for the war and the surge. Congradulations. Guess what, so did Hillary Clinton and a lot of democrats other then her.
But we are going to take lip service over actual votes and speeches, okay.
Then Barrack Obama is the most conservative senator in the history of the Democrat party.
Barrack is for change, for smaller government, he’s stated that he WILL NOT LEAVE IRAQ BEFORE 2009 if elected but rather that he would look into the situation and make an intelligent decision with the council of officers provided by the Pentagon. He’s stated that he is very much against a federal law defining what marriage is, but that he is also very much against laws allowing homosexuals to marry. He would, however, support laws for civil unions for both hetero and homo-sexual couples. He’s called for massive increases in funding for the Veteran’s Affairs and the US Military stating that no president should ever allow the military to be eroded as badly as ours was before Iraq. He’s said that religion is the touchstone of morality. He’s said that the schools can only be improved if they become competitive. He’s said that taxes for the middle and lower classes needs to be reduced.
In fact, I think he’s channeling Reagan. Didn’t Reagan have very similar ideas? Strong defense, small government, services for the Veterans, etc?
Hmm……
Obama is not a liberal or a conservative. I think hes a Muslim which we don’t get to find out until he gets elected. Other than that he will pull out all our troops from around the world because why would he stop at Iraq? Korea, Germany, will also be vacated and the empty space will be filled with new enemies leading to strategic imbalances which will lead to war. And since hes a lover of peace he will have our enemies sign that paper for ‘peace in our time’ rather than defend our interests further eroding our positions globally.
Some of the banter is getting a bit personal.
Watch it.
@Cmdr:
Barrack is for change, for smaller government, he’s stated that he WILL NOT LEAVE IRAQ BEFORE 2009
More later, but one quick note, IF he is elected, he won’t take office until 2009, so it would be dificult to leave Iraq before he’s elected, also I have heard him say that he would have everyone out 16 months after he takes office. That is either a lie or he is ignorant. Last time I looked there were plus or minus 20 brigades in Iraq. If you start moving out a brigade a month who will the luck last couple brigades be? I can tell you what they’ll be and that is screwed. I don’t know about you but I think it would be great fun to be the guys paking their crap after a 95% troop reduction in a years time. That kind of movement isn’t a withdrawal it’s a rout. In a full scale rout of that nature the guys in the back are FUBAR.
He said we are out by 2009 in a speech providing he is elected.
He’s said numerous times he WILL NOT LEAVE IRAQ. If we are taking people based only on what they say (as many McCain supporters are doing) instead of how they vote, then Obama will never, ever, ever leave Iraq.
http://obama.senate.gov/press/070130-obama_offers_pl_1/index.php
"Barack Obama’s Plan
Judgment You Can Trust
As a candidate for the United States Senate in 2002, Obama put his political career on the line to oppose going to war in Iraq, and warned of “an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs, and undetermined consequences.” Obama has been a consistent, principled and vocal opponent of the war in Iraq.
* In 2003 and 2004, he spoke out against the war on the campaign trail;
* In 2005, he called for a phased withdrawal of our troops;
* In 2006, he called for a timetable to remove our troops, a political solution within Iraq, and aggressive diplomacy with all of Iraq’s neighbors;
* In January 2007, he introduced legislation in the Senate to remove all of our combat troops from Iraq by March 2008.
* In September 2007, he laid out a detailed plan for how he will end the war as president.
Bringing Our Troops Home
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda."
I don’t think thats correct…His own site has this information
yes, the truth.
sometimes hard to stomach.
Well unless McCain can pull of a W, it looks like this is whats going to be happening because Obama is destroying Hillary.
After skimming through the last page, all I can say is that I cant believe people believe that McCain is a liberal. He isnt a strong conservative, and is no doubt far more moderate than others in the republican party, but one of the most liberal senators ever? Definitely not.
If the democrats want to win this then the superdelegates should all sway in favor of Obama. I feel a Clinton/McCain match up will lead to a McCain victory, but an Obama/McCain general election will probably lead to Obama. I just think Clinton is unelectable.
I cant trust Clinton with any form of change because, if I remember correctly, shes is the second highest recipient of money from special interest groups in all of congress. Her policies arent that different from Obama so I think my choice lies within him.
Let me rephrase, McCain is a W-Conservative. He’s true blue when it comes to policy at home (which is the MOST IMPORTANT POLICY) and red only when it comes to hurting other people (aka: Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Croatia, whereever.)
As for Obama, you keep telling me I have to believe McCain is conservative because he is telling us he is on the current campaign trail. Well, Obama is telling us that he has no plans to pull the troops out if he is elected, on the current campaign trail. If we swallow the lies of one, we should swallow the lies of all.
(That also means Hillary wants to be our mommy and love us and cuddle us and name us George.)
Jen, this is straight from Obama’s campaign website:
“Obama has a plan to immediately begin withdrawing our troops engaged in combat operations at a pace of one or two brigades every month, to be completed by the end of next year.”
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
Like I said he is either Lying or an Idiot. Which is worse?
maybe he is a lying idiot :lol:
He goes in to more detail here:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/IraqFactSheet.pdf
He wants to pull out the troops in the secure areas first and then try to pull out the ones in the “more volatile areas”.
:roll:
Barrack Hussein Obama says whatever will get him elected. A great song and dance of words and platitudes. Good for him.
they call those people demagogues.
and,
@Imperious:
Barrack Hussein Obama says whatever will get him elected. A great song and dance of words and platitudes. Good for him.
And HIllary Clinton and John McCain aren’t?
What I’m trying to point out is that McCain’s talking a great game, but his ACTIONS are 180 degrees from the words spewing forth from his mouth like a viper vomiting its breakfast. (Which, for John McCain, I’m sure all this conservative talk IS making him very queasy.)
So if we are to take McCain on ONLY what he says in his speeches, then we should only take Obama on what HE says at HIS speeches and in HIS speeches (and interviews) he’s sworn NOT to withdraw a single soldier until well into his Presidency and only if it is self-evident that the battle has been won.
And, since you guys who support McCain don’t want to bring in voting records, then we have to assume Obama speaks gospel on this issue.
