Global War 1940 2nd ed.

[General 6 Stars]

Baron, or any body else.

These are my Victory city’s in game. I’m trying to make it where adding the Victory points to game to change up more of the game.

3 point Victory City’s
                                  Moscow    USSR
                                  Berlin        Ger
                                  London      UK
                                  Tokyo        Japan
                                   D.C.          US
                                   Rome      Italy

2 point Victory City’s
                                   Paris          Ger
                                   Leningrad  USSR
                                   Hawaii        US
                                   ShangHai    Japan
                                   Manilla        US
                                   S.F.              US

1 point Victory City’s
                                   Stalingrad        USSR
                                   Sydney            UK
                                   Oslo                  Ger
                                   Ottawa            UK
                                   Cairo                UK
                                   Johannesburg  UK
                                   Honk Kong        UK 
                                   Warsaw            Ger
                                   Calcutta          UK
                                   Peking              Japan
                                   Milan                Italy
                                   Changkhun      Japan
                                   Siagon            Japan

Allies have total points of 24  need 4 more points to win

Axis have total points of 19    need 9 to win.

28 points wins you the game.

I don’t want to add or take away any Victory City’s. Just trying to change the way the game goes some what. Now the axis may have to many points to get to win if US gets a good push in the Pacific. So I may have to lower there total points to win.

Any thoughts out there ?

[baron Münchhausen]

Can you marks each VCs on last post so it will be able to see on glance which is on which side?

[General 6 Stars]

Ya I’ll edit it. Forgot.

[baron Münchhausen]

@SS:

Ya I’ll edit it. Forgot.

Thanks, it is still difficult to get the whole picture.
Maybe if you portray it by ETO vs PTO with value in order and near VC, it will help make the count.
Example:
Value City side or power
PTO Allies
2 San Francisco US
2 Hawaii US
1 Calcutta UK
1 Sydney UK

PTO Axis
3 Tokyo Japan
Calcutta worth only 1?

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PTO Allies
3 Sydney
2 Hawaii
2 Calcutta
1 Manilla
1 L. A.
1 Hong Kong

PTO Axis
3 Tokyo
2 Shanghai
2 Peking
1 Changkhun
2 Saigon

ATO Allies
3 Moscow
3 London
2 Washington
2 Lengingrad
2 Stalingrad
1 Cairo
1 Johannsburg

ATO Axis
3 Berlin
3 Rome
3 Paris
1 Oslo
1 Milan
1 Warsaw

The Allies start with 24 points and Axis with 22 points. First one to 30 points and holds for a turn wins the game.

[baron Münchhausen]

@SS:

PTO Allies
2 Hawaii
2 Manilla
2 San Fran
1 Honk Kong
1 Sydney
1 Calcutta�

PTO Axis
3 Tokyo
2 Shanghai
1 Peking
1 Changkhun
1 Saigon

ATO Allies
3 Moscow
3 London
3 Washington
2 Lengingrad
1 Stalingrad
1 Ottawa
1 Cairo
1 Johannsburg

ATO Axis
3 Berlin
3 Rome
2 Paris
1 Oslo
1 Milan
1 Warsaw

Calcutta only worth 1. Want Japan to hold more of there city’s and still win the game without taking Calcutta every dam game. Also might make Japan go after Hawaii or Sydney more and sending less to Calcutta.

Here is a few combinations to make an Axis win without Center Crush on Russia:
19 points + 4 ETO + 5 PTO = 28 PTs
2 Leningrad
1 Stalingrad
1 Cairo

2 Hawaii
2 Manilla
1 Honk Kong
or
2 Manilla
1 Honk Kong
1 Sydney
1 Calcutta

or 6 pts PTOs:
2 Hawaii
2 Manilla
1 Honk Kong
1 Sydney

and 3 pts amongst :
2 Leningrad
1 Stalingrad
1 Cairo

Seems more easily able to grab more PTO VCs than ETOs.
So Japan might have do the work to releave Germany from trying to get these 6 points + 19 = 25 points:
3 Moscow
2 Lengingrad
1 Stalingrad

Here, I’m not sure if that works because technically a German KO on Russia means game over. But still 3 points short of winning.
So, no matter the number of VC pts on PTO, it will be irrelevant. Unless Allies KJF is pushing hard toward Japan.

Don’t be shy on report. I will read it.

The actual Redesign VCs 40 list for G40 and 30 VCs list for 1942.2 is in part inspired by this one.

We added a few VCs within grasp of Germany to increase an Axis Victory.
We didn’t set the number of VCs (1 point each) required per Theater or Globally.
I suggested that this given number be kept at the end of the next game round to call the winning side.

[General 6 Stars]

I have no problem with changing City point values if need be to get a more balanced on both sides or for countries sides. The need for 28 points to win can be lowered.
I also want it where Germany doesn’t need to take Moscow to win. With pressure in Paris landings if any and Germany also needs to protect Oslo. Maybe losing Oslo will be enough for a Allies win and US getting good pressure in the Pacific. Like I mentioned in past post maybe axis needing 9 points to get to 28 might be to high. But I don’t see that happening yet with to much US pressure in Pacific.
Have to play test it.

Another question is how many turns do we need to play in game before it gets to long ? I still like it to be a 10 turn game max.

I will post results soon.

[General 6 Stars]

Here’s the game on turn 8 with Japan going next. Moscow defended well after Germany went for the kill. Allies now are pounding Paris with combined attacks. Japan pretty much set for last 3 turns for them. Game only goes 10 turns and Axis need to hold 15 victory city’s at end of turn 10. So it will come down to Germany holding Paris, Leningrad and Stalingrad for 2 more turns to win game without taking Moscow.

Tech chart shows how many techs are in game so far. This test for tech is working out very good.

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Here’ s the maps. Axis has 15 victory city’s now. Next game we will test the Victory City point system.

Italy not on map do to a spill of water on map. Off to side for cleanup.

[General 6 Stars]

@Baron:

@SS:

PTO Allies
2 Hawaii
2 Manilla
2 L. A.
1 Honk Kong
1 Sydney
1 Calcutta�

PTO Axis
3 Tokyo
2 Shanghai
1 Peking
1 Changkhun
1 Saigon

ATO Allies
3 Moscow
3 London
3 Washington
2 Lengingrad
2 Stalingrad

1 Cairo
1 Johannsburg

ATO Axis
3 Berlin
3 Rome
2 Paris
1 Oslo
1 Milan
1 Warsaw

Calcutta only worth 1. Want Japan to hold more of there city’s and still win the game without taking Calcutta every dam game. Also might make Japan go after Hawaii or Sydney more and sending less to Calcutta.

Here is a few combinations to make an Axis win without Center Crush on Russia:
19 points + 4 ETO + 5 PTO = 28 PTs
2 Leningrad
1 Stalingrad
1 Cairo

2 Hawaii
2 Manilla
1 Honk Kong
or
2 Manilla
1 Honk Kong
1 Sydney
1 Calcutta

or 6 pts PTOs:
2 Hawaii
2 Manilla
1 Honk Kong
1 Sydney

and 3 pts amongst :
2 Leningrad
1 Stalingrad
1 Cairo

Seems more easily able to grab more PTO VCs than ETOs.
So Japan might have do the work to releave Germany from trying to get these 6 points + 19 = 25 points:
3 Moscow
2 Lengingrad
1 Stalingrad

Here, I’m not sure if that works because technically a German KO on Russia means game over. But still 3 points short of winning.
So, no matter the number of VC pts on PTO, it will be irrelevant. Unless Allies KJF is pushing hard toward Japan.

Don’t be shy on report. I will read it.

The actual Redesign VCs 40 list for G40 and 30 VCs list for 1942.2 is in part inspired by this one.

We added a few VCs within grasp of Germany to increase an Axis Victory.
We didn’t set the number of VCs (1 point each) required per Theater or Globally.
I suggested that this given number be kept at the end of the next game round to call the winning side.

Baron. I made Stalingrad worth 2 points. I removed Ottawa. Drop the axis to starting with 19 points and need 8 to win = 27 points. Allies start with 24 and need 6 to win =  30 points.

Whats your thoughts on this and do you have any tweaks if need be. Playing test game Saturday at noon.

[baron Münchhausen]

Numbers are not clear and easy to remember. I would have rise Axis to 20 points.
So, it needs 28 pts vs 30 pts.

Even more, maybe it is possible to reach 22 pts for Axis?
That way, the game becomes the first to reach 30 points.
Like making Ploesti oil field (Bucharest) Hungary-Romania 3 points.
Or, make it 2 pts (Ploesti is Romania, precisely) and add Truk in Carolines Island 1 point to reach 22 points.

I agree that Ottawa is too much out of reach for Axis.

Have a nice and funny game.

[General 6 Stars]

I need this to work with the victory city’s I have on list. That is what I’m going for.

[baron Münchhausen]

@SS:

I need this to work with the victory city’s I have on list. That is what I’m going for.

OK, then maybe increase to 20 for Axis.
For instance, makes Paris worth 3 points.

To rise to 22 points, maybe increase Saigon and Peking by one point?

Just a way to make the magic number for Victory as similar as possible for both Axis or Allies.
30 points seems a well rounded number.

But 28 can probably be possible.
Rise Axis to 20, lower Allies to 22.
But this way seems to be more difficult.

[General 6 Stars]

Yes my thoughts on Paris . Ok will check out the other 2
Thank you

[General 6 Stars]

@SS:

PTO Allies
2 Hawaii
2 Manilla
1 L. A.
1 Hong Kong
1 Sydney
1 Calcutta

PTO Axis
3 Tokyo
2 Shanghai
2 Peking
1 Changkhun
2 Saigon

ATO Allies
3 Moscow
3 London
2 Washington
2 Lengingrad
2 Stalingrad
1 Cairo
1 Johannsburg

ATO Axis
3 Berlin
3 Rome
3 Paris
1 Oslo
1 Milan
1 Warsaw

Baron, These are the numbers I’m going with now. I just need to figure out if 28 points or 30 points will work for a win. Axis and Allies have a total of 22 points each at start of game.

[baron Münchhausen]

I believe a 30 pts Victory conditions will be more satisfying for players.

People will probably better recognize which side is winning then.

28 pts probably not decisive but it can give a hints about which side is ahead if not enough time to reach 30 points.

Let me know if it seems to change somehow the general strategy.
Particularly in PTO.
It is a different minding shifting from Capital control to VCs control Victory conditions.
Not always easy to refocus.

Nice twist to reduce Washington and Los Angeles.
Anyway, they are almost unconquerable, unless making big mistakes.

Starting both at 22 allows you to see if giving the same number to win can work for both.

Maybe it is a great achievement to reach 28 for Allies while not the same for Axis.
Probably, when Allies reaching 28 pts while Axis is 16 points, it means Axis loosing but Axis 28 pts probably Allies are just on the threshold of launching big attacks on Axis.
Economical advantage and time is clearly on Allies side.

[General 6 Stars]

Here’s the Chart for the Victory City’s point values. The numbers as you can see are to big. Gonna make them smaller. Plus if I need to change a value for a city after play testing I can just swap out with another numbered magnetic. We started to play and have 1 turn in. Each side starts with 22 points. First one to 30 points wins.

The N. A. 's were rolled for each country before start of game. The US got 3 move carriers and got the first tech on turn one with Jet
Fighters. IT may be a early allies victory ? Not gonna happen !

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Finally got  1 test turn in last week. Was gonna play another turn or 2 tonite but player didn’t show so have to wait for more turns. Guys busy do to summer.

Anyway this test game is for victory city point victory conditions. Axis and Allies start with 22 points each. First one to 30 points at end of a turn wins the game. The chart below shows who has control of victory city’s with points. Axis have 27 points now after 2 turns. So right now it comes down to does Germany capture Stalingrad (2) and Cairo (1) to get 3 more victory points to win game or just hold the eastern front and decide now to do sea lion. Take London (3) and hold for win. Or Japan takes Hawaii (2) and Calcutta (1) worth 3 for the victory or just split it between themselves.

Axis very strong early in game. Will see how this goes. May have to change a few city numbers or add more city’s ( which I don’t want to do )  if axis keeps winning.

[General 6 Stars]

@Baron:

I believe a 30 pts Victory conditions will be more satisfying for players.

People will probably better recognize which side is winning then.

28 pts probably not decisive but it can give a hints about which side is ahead if not enough time to reach 30 points.

Let me know if it seems to change somehow the general strategy.
Particularly in PTO.
It is a different minding shifting from Capital control to VCs control Victory conditions.
Not always easy to refocus.

Nice twist to reduce Washington and Los Angeles.
Anyway, they are almost unconquerable, unless making big mistakes.

Starting both at 22 allows you to see if giving the same number to win can work for both.

Maybe it is a great achievement to reach 28 for Allies while not the same for Axis.
Probably, when Allies reaching 28 pts while Axis is 16 points, it means Axis loosing but Axis 28 pts probably Allies are just on the threshold of launching big attacks on Axis.
Economical advantage and time is clearly on Allies side.

Baron,

Yes the strategy is different some what and yes you do have to pay more attention now that its victory city points involved.
It seems like the game is a bit easier to play because now you focus a bit more on a certain victory city. But will have to see in the next few turns how much allies can get pressure on axis. My feeling right now from what I see it may be a to easy victory for axis.

Germany is knocking on Stalingrad’s door next turn but winter will be kicking in on turn 4 to give Russian a +1 on defense for inf every round of battle. Plus italy should get Cairo in 2 to 3 turns. But then maybe not.

[General 6 Stars]

Update tomorrow finally.