People getting worse, or am I actually getting better?

As someone who put their Classic board out to pasture 2 years ago…

I think the remaining Classic players are getting rusty.
:mrgreen:

I havent played Classic for several years, but it’s easier to compare skills in Revised because we know how much to bid.

I didn’t even use bids in Classic… :lol:

I’ve heard Classic bids range from 20-30 ipc…

I haven’t played 2nd Ed in a long time so I can’t really judge the current level of play, but 21-22 still sounds about right.  I’d probably bid about that given I haven’t played in a while.

As for Kwangbang, that seems odd since a PAfr bid should take that option off the table:

2 inf Man
1 inf EE
4 inf Lib

Now if you are talking PE bids only, Kwangbang is a definite option and solid counter.

Its funny cause I’ve chatted with Agent recently about PE plays and we’ve talked about the Kar stack or deadzoning it etc.

Anyway, maybe I’ll have to get back into 2nd Ed too.  I almost entered the DAAK 2nd Ed LL tourney but just didn’t think I’d have the time at the moment.

I find this topic very interesting.  One would think that it would be easier to go from revised to classic versus classic to revised.

I suppose I should dust off the cobwebs and give it a whirl this weekend.

LT

@Cmdr:

I don’t understand how Power Africa negates the ability of Kwangbang.  To be honest, unless Japan gets 6 IPC of the bid (1 Infantry for Manchuria and 1 Infantry for Kwangtung) I don’t see much that would stop the allies from attacking those territories.

By nature the PAfr bid DOES place 1-2 inf in Man.  You don’t need 7 inf in Afr.  So you place 4 in Afr, 1 in EE, and 2 in Man.

Without the Man attack by Russia, UK has no business attacking Kwa.

There are still many great 2nd edition players out there….I get beaten all the time.

My standard bid is 5inf libya, 1inf Eeu, 1inf Bur and 1ipc Germany. Personally, I love it when someone Kwangbangs me against this bid.

The extra inf in Eeu is good for countering Ukraine and killing off the russian armor.

@Cmdr:

So far this year, 100% of my opponents have gone 7 Infantry in E. Europe

Kwangbang is very successful with minimal risk really.  1)  You get a Japanese fighter.  2)  You get Kwangtung and Manchuria which is +6 Allies and has to be liberated, usually resulting in China not falling to Japan and an extra American fighter on the game board (+12 Allies).

So you lose 2 British Infantry, 5 Russian Infantry, 1 Russian Armor for: 5 Japanese Infantry, 1 Japanese Fighter +  A bonus American Fighter.

Loss: 26 IPC
Gain: 39 IPC (Total Japanese Units killed + Allied Units saved in the maneuver.)

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I think it should be noted that a power Europe build necessitates an armor build for Russia.  I like 3 Inf, 3 Arm.  This gives you 6 Armor, 2 fighters to hit Karelia with, so that massive stack of units defending at two has a good size stack of units attacking at 3 supported by a massive stack of units attacking at 1.

That math doesn’t quite work out because Japan should lose additional units if they follow the plan you laid out above. However, Japan does not have to take back Kwangtung (I wouldn’t) and the US is not completely safe in China now(I would try to kill them if feasible).

It sounds like you are describing some variation of the Brutus Backstep to counter PE, especially your purchase…which I am sure can work quite effectively, Brutus’ record speaks for itself. If your last 7 games were 7inf ukr PE bids and you have won all seven, why fix what isn’t broken. Keep on Backstepping.

here’s a link for the Brutus Backstep where it is discussed a little:
http://iaapaopenforumbbs.yuku.com/topic/1266/t/Brutus-Backstep.html

I guess we will just have to play each other at some point  :wink:

I’m ashamed to admit it   :oops: but, I have not played anything but revised since it came out and as far as classic I don’t think I’ve played it since my days in the military…15yrs ago. :mrgreen:

Back than I only played the few dudes that I could find that were even remotely interested in the game, and I sure as heck did not know of anyone that actually competed in tournaments or discussed strategy outside of the time it took to play, so I’ve never even played it with a bid, I never heard of it back than…it was not in the rule book so I had no idea it even existed.

And now, since I unfortunately I don’t have the time to game like I did so many years ago  :cry:, when  I do get to game I only play the revised because I believe revised is such a better game than classic.  So with limited game times, I only want to only play the “better game”.  :|

I think the majority of players that you are going to compete with online now that are willing to try classic are probably “worse” not because they are rusty but because they know less about classic  :? in general than revised.  Most Online players (generally speaking) are probably of the “post classic age” (young pups) and simply haven’t played it.

Taking revised as an example, I thought I was a decent player.  Than a friend of a friend told me about tripleA, and when I played it online I ran across “the bid”, “low Luck” and “Territory Turn Limit”, things that to a dude that just bought and played the boxed game with a few friends I had not even heard of.  I must have played 30+games before I even came close to winning. (I figured I must have really sucked  :-o or I was a slow learner  :?).  I can only imagine that classic players are even more out of sorts on how to best play it.

Just a guess.

My cousin and I play Axis & Allies (I think 2nd edition) quite often for years.

I honestly have no idea what most of the jargon in this thread is heh.

Jargon:

Low Luck is basically adding all attack or defense divide by 6= hits per round, fractions roll out so if you got 20, then you got 3 hits and you roll a 4th die with another hit on 2 or less.

@Imperious:

Jargon:

Low Luck is basically adding all attack or defense divide by 6= hits per round, fractions roll out so if you got 20, then you got 3 hits and you roll a 4th die with another hit on 2 or less.

So then what is “Territory Turn Limit”

LT

Edit: err, nevermind ~ZP