Laissez-faire or Government Intervention?

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    It’s only a pipe dream if you believe government is the answer to all of our problems.


  • @Cmdr:

    It’s only a pipe dream if you believe government is the answer to all of our problems.

    Can anyone name an instance where putting the government in charge of something actually helped?  (besides leading a war that is).

    And I am looking for the previous 40 years…… nothing ancient like the New Deal or the like.

  • '19 Moderator

    We do have an embassy, since 95.  I’ve never heard of any troops there other than marine guards, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t I may be able to find out though…

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    @allies_fly:

    @Cmdr:

    It’s only a pipe dream if you believe government is the answer to all of our problems.

    Can anyone name an instance where putting the government in charge of something actually helped?  (besides leading a war that is).

    And I am looking for the previous 40 years…… nothing ancient like the New Deal or the like.

    Darlin, even the New Deal didn’t help.  Look back at history and ignore the war propaganda.  The New Deal didn’t help anything, we were just circling the drain faster.  It wasn’t until WWII when women entered the work force to fill in for the men who had been reassigned to Europe/Pacific that things turned around.  And then it was because we became two income families and thus able to pull ourselves out of the great depression DESPITE the government’s influence.

    Anyway, I have to admit, the only time I can think of that the Government actually “helped” was in the instances of deploying the National Guard to build sandbag walls to stop flood waters, or to pull people out of forest fires.  Short of that, and defending us from war, I cannot think of a single time people were thankful (in the end) to hear the words: “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.”

    Honestly, the thing that made Reagan a great president was that he REMOVED government from our lives.  It wasn’t that his policies were good or that his budget was good.  It was that he stopped the government from getting in the way which allowed the AMERICAN CITIZEN to be good!


  • @Cmdr:

    It’s only a pipe dream if you believe government is the answer to all of our problems.

    It’s a pipe dream because it’s an impossibility and has nothing to do with my preferences.

    Even your precious Reagan expanded the government more than we had seen in years and set a precedent in deficit spending.

  • 2007 AAR League

    big government only helps in the short term.  and it makes responsibility vanish so it just pushes the problems farther back in time.  great, as always in america, let someone else deal with it.  preferably after i’m gone so the thinking goes.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    @Jermofoot:

    @Cmdr:

    It’s only a pipe dream if you believe government is the answer to all of our problems.

    It’s a pipe dream because it’s an impossibility and has nothing to do with my preferences.

    Even your precious Reagan expanded the government more than we had seen in years and set a precedent in deficit spending.

    You love to claim things like this with absolutely no proof what-so-ever.

    Reagan may have expanded the MILITARY more then ever and set a precedent in MILITARY spending.  However, he deregulated the air waves, he deregulated the shipping industry.  Hell, if it were not for the Socialists (both in America and in Russia) I bet he would have cut the government to 1% of its original size.  I know I would.


  • Based on government spending, Reagan more than doubled the size of government over his 8 years in office.

    From just under half a trillion in annual spending to over 1 trillion in 8 years.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    @ncscswitch:

    Based on government spending, Reagan more than doubled the size of government over his 8 years in office.

    From just under half a trillion in annual spending to over 1 trillion in 8 years.

    And what did he spend it on?  Military.  In other words, he spent money on the only thing the US Government SHOULD spend money on.  National Defense.

    I don’t care if a scientist is $5 short on funding to cure cancer.  The US Government should ONLY SPEND MONEY ON MILITARY.


  • Not quite true Jen.

    Annual military spending increased to $250 B per year for Reagan’s last budget (round numbers).  That means $750 B per year for non-military expenditures.

    From the 1980 budget levels to 1988 levels, military spending went up about $150 B.  Domestic spending went up $350 B.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Then he wasted 350 billion.

    Though, I highly doubt his increases were near (in percentages) to someone like, oh, say FDR?


  • @Cmdr:

    @Jermofoot:

    @Cmdr:

    It’s only a pipe dream if you believe government is the answer to all of our problems.

    It’s a pipe dream because it’s an impossibility and has nothing to do with my preferences.

    Even your precious Reagan expanded the government more than we had seen in years and set a precedent in deficit spending.

    You love to claim things like this with absolutely no proof what-so-ever.

    Reagan may have expanded the MILITARY more then ever and set a precedent in MILITARY spending.  However, he deregulated the air waves, he deregulated the shipping industry.  Hell, if it were not for the Socialists (both in America and in Russia) I bet he would have cut the government to 1% of its original size.  I know I would.

    I don’t bother with you anymore because you never did the same in the first place, and refuse FACTS when they are repeatedly shown to you.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    @Jermofoot:

    @Cmdr:

    @Jermofoot:

    @Cmdr:

    It’s only a pipe dream if you believe government is the answer to all of our problems.

    It’s a pipe dream because it’s an impossibility and has nothing to do with my preferences.

    Even your precious Reagan expanded the government more than we had seen in years and set a precedent in deficit spending.

    You love to claim things like this with absolutely no proof what-so-ever.

    Reagan may have expanded the MILITARY more then ever and set a precedent in MILITARY spending.  However, he deregulated the air waves, he deregulated the shipping industry.  Hell, if it were not for the Socialists (both in America and in Russia) I bet he would have cut the government to 1% of its original size.  I know I would.

    I don’t bother with you anymore because you never did the same in the first place, and refuse FACTS when they are repeatedly shown to you.

    Thank the Gods, I can cut down on headache medicine now that I don’t have to deal with the stubbornness and ignorance of you!


  • @Cmdr:

    @Jermofoot:

    @Cmdr:

    @Jermofoot:

    @Cmdr:

    It’s only a pipe dream if you believe government is the answer to all of our problems.

    It’s a pipe dream because it’s an impossibility and has nothing to do with my preferences.

    Even your precious Reagan expanded the government more than we had seen in years and set a precedent in deficit spending.

    You love to claim things like this with absolutely no proof what-so-ever.

    Reagan may have expanded the MILITARY more then ever and set a precedent in MILITARY spending.  However, he deregulated the air waves, he deregulated the shipping industry.  Hell, if it were not for the Socialists (both in America and in Russia) I bet he would have cut the government to 1% of its original size.  I know I would.

    I don’t bother with you anymore because you never did the same in the first place, and refuse FACTS when they are repeatedly shown to you.

    Thank the Gods, I can cut down on headache medicine now that I don’t have to deal with the stubbornness and ignorance of you!

    Reality is annoying, isn’t it?  But I love you too, Jenn.  :-D

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