Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    @M36:

    Washington has shown no interest whatsoever in paying off the debts we owe, or in the collecting the ones owed to us.

    And correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t importing cheap and exporting high the goal? For this we want a stronger dollar.

    Part 1:

    No US Government since Andrew Jackson has been worried about paying off the debts we owe, or in the collecting the ones owed to us.

    Part 2:

    No, actually the reverse is true.  We want people to buy our products cheaper then their own domestic products so we sell more products.  Likewise, we want our products to be cheaper then foreign competition to keep our own money domestic instead of shipping billions over seas to support the economies of other nations at the expense of our own nation.

  • 2007 AAR League

    doing McCain victory dance  :mrgreen:

    well, i hope it would be a McCain-Huckabee ticket, or McCain-Petraus, or just McCain somebody.

    and a question is, would either obama or hillary have the moxy to swallow ego and accept a vice presidential candidcy.  i really dont think so.  man are they hammering each other after their so called truce

    and many of their proponents are saying they should get the job b/c this nation needs a black/woman president.  what happened to being best qualified for the job?  eh, maybe bush wasnt best qualified either……

    and with the economy, it looks a little painful.  like someones repeatedly kicking america’s jimmy.  but i think our economy is just too damn big to really go into a deep recession…oil is already down to $90 a barrel again.  when it gets lower and lower, our economy will go back up…man it sucks to be truly addicted to oil and people who dont like us supply us with it.

    and McCain says he will give companies tax cuts but only if there is spending cuts to go with it.  Go McCain, shrink this government, it wastes money on worthless grants all over the place.  and cut some bloated bueracracy jobs.  and thank God everyone at least knows McCain is the only candidate serious about stopping pork barrel spending that is so wasteful.  thats a big reason why other politicians loathe the man.  he’ll cut off their bread and butter.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Solving the oil crisis is easy.  Allow American Companies to Drill Oil in America.  Price of Oil will drop to $40/barrel over a summer.

    I think Hillary would do anything, even let her husband sleep with other women, to get into the White House, as VP or Pres, but preferably pres.

    As for McCain, if he’s the Republican, there’s no way the Republicans will get the White House this year.  Too many Republicans would rather stay home and let Hillary or Barrack have the White House to prevent McCain from getting it and further slandering the title Conservative.

    I’m not one.  I’ll go VOTE for Hillary of Barrack!  I don’t want McCain anywhere NEAR the White House.  He pretends to wear red, but everything he does is blue through and through.


  • I hope if MLXBW gets the nomination she does not have billy in her cabinet. Her candidacy could not be some ploy to get bill in as VP…could it? I think he can only serve 4 years as VP under the (12 years maximum rule)

  • 2007 AAR League

    so……MLXBW… :?


  • Please enlighten me as to this new title for Hillary. :?

    As a side not to Jen, the most important issue facing the country right now is obviously the battle against terrorism. Who was it that pushed for the strategy General Petraeus has instituted?  I believe John McCain said more personnel where needed all along. Some of the guys at my FOB have been here since before the surge began, and they all say the same thing: We weren’t as busy before because we didn’t have the manpower to execute all the missions and patrolling. So to a civilians eyes, it is John McCain who was right about the battle in Iraq. Thats a sure ticket into the white house.


  • the problem is he has been wrong (by conservative standards) on far more things. the economy is starting to strugle, tax cuts have proven to be a help to the economy but he has voted against tax cuts, not because they help the rich but because he thinks they don’t help the economy grow. granted more troops on the ground was a good call, but it is also the view of most conservatives for a long time, sence before i ever heard any talk in Washington of a surge. the problem in Iraq with the way it has been fought has been IMHO that it was too political and GWB played both sides and got nothing done. now McCain who is known for playing both sides is running. i’m sorry but the big problem with the current pres is that he did exactly what McCain is known for. the only thing McCain has up on Bush is that he has a stronger stance on how to fight the war, but he also is un willing to even intertain the idea of tough interigation messerues for the enamy. i know he was tourchoured, but i’m not talking tourchour. McCain understands the need for a strong millitary but i don’t think he is the man for the rest of the job and that includes the war on Terror (but good on the theater in Iraq). for that i think he would make a good adivsor or VP at most, but not the leader of our nation.

    on a side note: M36, don’t know your deployment length, but hope you and your brothers come home safe. what unit are you? if you don’t mind me asking, and also where you stationed out of? pm if you don’t want it public, i was in Camp Lajune NC just a few years back.


  • Monica Lewinsky’s Ex Boyfriends wife= MLXBFW

    When i type Celery Clinton i have acute chest pains.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Well Fred is out.  So my new endorsement order, from best qualified in my opinion, to worst qualified is:

    Fred Thompson <===No Longer Running, guess he got smart and politics is no place for smart men!
    Mitt Romney
    Mike Huckabee
    Ron Paul
    John Edwards <===Yea, he’s a democrat, but at least he’s made his own wealth.
    Adolf Hitler <===Deceased
    Joseph Stalin <===Deceased
    Hillary Clinton <===Because when she drives our country into 3rd world status, we can blame both the baby boomers and the democrats
    Barrak Obama <===Because when he drives our coutnry into 3rd world status, we can blame the democrats
    John McCain <===Because he’s identical to Hillary, except he’s a man and when he drives our country into 3rd world status, we have no one to blame but Rich, White Republicans and that will bar real conservatives from the White House for at least another decade.


  • micky mouse should be above the abulance chaser.
    wish Fred would indorse Romney, then if he pushed to be his VP then i think people may get past there religous miss givings about him. just maby.

  • Moderator

    OK, I’m a little clueless. Who is Micky Mouse?

    GG


  • should be Mickey Mouse (opps), the rat that Walt Disney made.

  • Moderator

    Oh, I thought you were comparing it to a candidate… :wink:

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Governor Rod Blagoevich (Blab and B*tch as I call him) is Mickey Mouse, he even looks the part…that or a ferret.

    Anyway, if Fred does endorse someone, I also hope it’s Mitt.  Mitt’s the most conservative guy running right now, and I actually still expect him to win on Super Tuesday.


  • But McCain is the front runner according to the news with his 35ish delagates, well Mitt dosn’t stand a chance at winning the nomintation with his 75ish delagates.  :roll:
    i do have my doupts that Mitt will win supper tuesday, but not because he isn’t the best guy for the job, but because there are so many anti LDS out there (i’m no fan of the religion my self but i understand that it’s not an issue) and the media keeps pushing this non issue that it will hurt him.


  • I like Huckabee as a Fair Tax supporter.  But that is where my like for him stops.

    I also am a little amused by the hard Right’s opposition to him on many topics.  I still remember the conservative talk show hosts just LOVING his “pay more” account in Arkansas… where he told the people of Arkansas that he would not raise their taxes, but if they felt they needed to pay more, they could.  I think the account ende dup with just over $2000 in it, most of that in $0.02 cent deposits. :-)  Limbaugh in particular used to go on and on about Huckabee as such complete 180 in Arkansas over Clinton and how great the “new” Arkansas Governor was compared to the old one.

    And then add in that he is about as right wing in terms of religion as you can get…  He is a baptist minister for crying out loud.  You don;t get much more conservative than that!

    And he even made States Rights declarations prior to the SC primaries (SC should decide, not Washington, if the Confederate Flag should fly over the state house in Columbia).

    Why are Conservatives so hell bent on Mitt and so against Huckabee?

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I like Mitt because he took a state that, by all rights, should have declared bankruptcy and sold itself to the highest bidder at auction and made it profitable again, meanwhile he cut the state taxes while doing it.

    If he can do it at 1/50th the scale of the United States, maybe we should trust him with the whole country?

    Huckabee I like better then McCain.  I like everyone better then McCain.  I’d vote for Strom Thurmon (the KKK leader) or Teddy Kennedy before I vote for McCain.  McCain will NOT win the Midwest and without the Midwest, he doesn’t stand a chance at beating Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama (or a 5 year old for that matter.)


  • @Cmdr:

    @M36:

    Washington has shown no interest whatsoever in paying off the debts we owe, or in the collecting the ones owed to us.

    And correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t importing cheap and exporting high the goal? For this we want a stronger dollar.

    Part 2:

    No, actually the reverse is true.  We want people to buy our products cheaper then their own domestic products so we sell more products.  Likewise, we want our products to be cheaper then foreign competition to keep our own money domestic instead of shipping billions over seas to support the economies of other nations at the expense of our own nation.

    but you cant have both

    you either sacrifice import for export or vice versa

    weaker dollar goes in favor of your exportists, and not in the favour of those who import goods to youur country

    the manipulation that is being done in both USA and China is ˝a game˝ that is obviosly played not just by the Central Bank of each country but of the policy itself which has implemented on to the Central Banks policy

    for example China constantly depreciates yuan, beause it helps her to achieve even more cheaper prices for its product( comparing to others ) while at the same time increasing even more the Trade Suficit it has comparing to EU countries and the USA…

    but ok i think i am off topic
    but dont know much about candidates so i am interested in US policy stuff :wink:

    so can you please elaborate here  ( especially for some of us who are not USA citizens) some key issues of domestic and foreign policy and the issues that the present candidates have(in the first row those with most chances to win this race)

    for example…
    ˝War in Iraq˝  1st-withdraw  2nd-stay for 5000 years more  3-rd…


  • i was personally in a toss up between the two (Thompson is great on issues just not great on getting them out to people IMO), but Huckabee pulled a little stunt that made me go far away from him. when he asked a news reporter paraphrasing hear sorry “don’t mormons think Christ and Satin are brothers?” now the question could be honist and all, but he asked some one not of the faith and it was obviously not a question that should or could be ansowerd by the man. so what we got was a big outlash at the LDS or rather Mitt for this “honist question” that was asked in public to the wrong people. it would be like saying in a church “arn’t all Muslams terorist?” back about 3 years ago. we know that isn’t true now, but back when Sep 11th was more in the minds of people then it’s a bad thing, but now people have made efferts to show that it isn’t true, but hear we have a slightlly diffrent situation as it was a target at one canident but a low shot at his faith. attacking his faith like that was a low shot that cost him my vote. if any thing it accually strengthend my support of Mitt because the guy is getting unfairly attacked because of his faith.
    now i think the media hitting H for the cross in the add was a low shot too, but thats the media, you can’t expect high ideals from them, but a man who is a minister and trying to reach a high posision with in our government that people look up to should not be doing such things as attacking even if in a back words way (he knew what he was doing, if not he is an idiot and shouldn’t be president for being so stupid) peoples religion that is protected by the constitution.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Big items to get elected this year, Amon are:

    Should we do anything to fix the economy, or is it fine? (It hasn’t been fine since the new Congress took over in 2007, IMHO)
    Should we give illegal aliens, who are felons, amnesty and forgive their felonies? (McCain, Hillary and Barrack are all for this, Edwards and the rest are not)
    Is the sub-prime debacle (the 5% of homes being fore-closed on) something we should bail people out on, or should we let the market correct itself?
    Should the Bush tax cuts be repealed in 2010, or confirmed?

    Items not issues are:

    Gay Marriage
    Abortion
    Iraq

    All three of those are MAJOR democrat issues and without them, they will be hurting.  However, if the Republicans do not nominate Mitt Romney with MAYBE McCain as VP, but preferably Newt or Fred as VP, it won’t matter how many negatives there are because Barrack or Hillary can basically smile into the camera, say nothing, and glide right into the White House.

    Why?

    Because Huckabee and McCain cannot get the Republicans out to vote.  More Republicans would actually vote Democrat then vote McCain, he’s THAT hated by the Midwest, West and Northwest (the seat of power for the Republicans, Democrats generally hold the deep South (Florida, specifically) and the North East + California.)

    McCain is the candidate of choice by the Liberals because he is a liberal.  Conservatives don’t really like him, except with the possibility of South Carolina, but he didn’t exactly pull out a very strong win there either.  He won by a mere 3%.  That’s a statistical tie. (Most polls are reported as +/- 4%, that means he could have lost by 1% or won by as much as 7%.)

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