AARHE 1939 map and rule files

further on terrain

on standard map
*Caroline Islands is not “small” terrain (being Caroline, Marianas and Pacific Islands)
*Finland and Archangel is not Snowy (after considering climate map and monthly temperatures)

but of course 1939 map doesn’t have to use the same benchmark

(though Archangel can be either as the city is right up north)

oh, you agree with all the proposals?

*Midway
*Bering Strait
*Caroline Islands
*Finland/Archangel

I think I found out how to bump objects into another layer in illustrator
http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1154471&page=1
shall try it out later

@Imperious:

The rules file has grammar issues, run on sentences, misspelled words.

when I have time I’ll print it out and go through it slowly

Also where did the oil rules go?

thats 1939
recall the decide was want to minimize the length and leave as much of 1939 and 1942 as possible to the map rules file

The NA’s need separate bold heading for names.

ok
and I just noticed we have Superfortress immune to Anti-Air

The techs got one thats stuck with another.

I found it

A number of confusing rules. Everything should be readable one time.

Case by case points:

first page Id lake the Version and released info in white so it shows up.

ok

page 7 need sequence for 1939 version

thats in 1939 rules

page 10 IPC not spent nor saved is forfeited… what does this mean?

it is lost and removed from the game

IPC path– you need to explain what a closed canal/ straight is ( reference by page #)

“closed” is as is LHTR
inserting cross reference to strait interdiction

Convoy sea zone reverse last two sentences (you roll first and apply result latter)

ok

Page 14 naval transport. So does this allow friendly naval transport during NCM?

yes, that is not changed

Page 15 what does relocate 50% of land units mean?

recall you did not like all land units in a territory to be able to reinforce an adjacent friendly territory
hence we limit it to 50%
I should use the word move instead since its used throughout the paragraph

page 16 Interdiction–- Roll 1 die against each unit destroying it on its hit value? explain differently

lets change it to
Roll 1 die against each unit destroying it on success roll.

page 17–- excess air units fight with normal combat values -2 . explain?

you wanted to remove air-only attack against land units
I wanted to keep it as I thought its too arbitrary to remove it

so to model it better we let air only attack against land units but they would be as effective (hiding in bunkers etc)

anti-air  ID rolls need to be placed with ID section. Its like reading chapter 1 now and chapter 2 latter

what do you mean by ID section? like units?
this happens in Conduct Combat phase so I put it in Conduct Combat phase

Page 18  the attacker can retreat even if the defender was destroyed? thats not correct.

hm, we had this for a long time
the realism is simple straight forward

you don’t suddenly lose the ability to retreat just because you destroyed the enemy
if you can retreat when the enemy is harassing you
you can retreat when th enemy is not

of course, to capture the territory you must have an least one land unit behind

page 21 naval combat–- if only one side has naval units the other side must retreat? what is this?

yes actually it can removed
it has no effect
we already stated about carrier capacity

attacker retreat–- this is allowed even if defender has no units left?

yes same reason as land combat

page 24 Naval combat Amp a**–- however units that break off you may not continue amp assault? doe snot make sense.

if the defender runs attacker can offload
if the attacker runs then they abort the landing

I reword to this
Defender retreat via break-off and submerged submarines do not prevent the land combat portion of an amphibious assault. However attacker retreat via break-off aborts the amphibious assault.

air missions–- each air unit can perform only one mission as the active player and one as the passive player ( DAS)
planes doing DAS can also perform other missions and thats not clear.

which version is that?
my file words it as
Each air unit can only perform one air mission per turn. It may not perform normal combat in the same turn. Air missions are declared with normal combat moves. Air missions are resolved before normal combats and before Defensive Air Support air units arrive.
we refrain from letting units fight in more than one space or doing thing to cause a complex timeline to resolve
but anything is open to discussion
in the end we reduced the bomber cost to 14 IPC instead

SBR –- reference that the SR is an optional rule and reference page number.

yes will do

Page 25 what is the maximum damage for territories with a factory?

territory value
you must be referring to the difference of SBR on territories with IC and no IC

but I realise is not correct terminology
since excess damage is applied to saved IPC at that territory

so reword like this…

Economic attacks (SBR and rocket strikes) reduce a territory’s income at its next “Collect Income” phase and not reducing below zero. Excess hits are applied to saved IPC in that territory. SBR attacks are allowed on territories without an Industrial Complex. The maximum reduction to its next “Collect Income” phase is half of territory’s income value rounded down.

page 28 deployment–- airborne units are mobilized at capital victory city…do we need the 2 VCP part?

its to make it harder to raise then normal infantry

page 30 Rocket tech is stuck with Hvy bomber

yep got it

self propelled–-- i think we had some other value for this… for 5 ipc who would buy one? I thought we gave them a if they roll a one they select the unit they kill?

what we did give it was ability to participate one territory away
but that was found unrealistic

it still has its value

INF 3 IPC
ART 4 IPC
ARM 5 IPC
SPA 5 IPC

INF + ART = 7 IPC for 4 punch, 2 punch after 1 hit
INF + SPA = 8 IPC for 5 punch, 3 punch after 1 hit
INF + ARM = 8 IPC for 4 punch, 3 punch after 1 hit

they also move at 2 like tanks, so you can reinforce quickly

atomic bomb should be spaced away from that box

ok

page 37  check the neutrals for inconsistencies from the new set up sheets

I believe there are consistent with the map
there are no setup sheets for standard map
the 1939 setup is not included

page 38-54 bold headings and separation of NA titles.

will do

on page 37 replace AP for TR people don’t know about AP even though its the correct title.

thats left over from previous abreviations regime
I’ll get rid of it

the word Soviet Union is misspelled with a Unionm but i forgot where i saw it.

found it, it was in diplomacy

http://home.exetel.com.au/cometo/20080215_AARHE.pdf
http://home.exetel.com.au/cometo/20080215_AARHE_clear.pdf

@Imperious:

Not Finland and archangel. everything else is good.

If you want to add Iwo Jima (Bonin Islands) thats fine too.

Midway to sz69
Caroline Islands not small
you already have Iwo Jima and already marked small

setup icons to setup icons layer
sea zone number and lines to sea zone layer
blue background to background layer

so only one map file needed from now on

2008-02-15
http://www.mediafire.com/?e1xmghigxzz

so what are the final links to this map and can it be opened by anything other than adobe illustrator?

@Imperious:

Map still has things. I will redo South America and make it look better.

ok do that with the file I uploaded
its got all the layers
changing shall be easy

Oil rules
Rules for Maginot/Siegfried line

see 1939 rules file
under Fortresses and Oil Centers

latest file (no changes since last posted)
http://home.exetel.com.au/cometo/20080214_AARHE_1939.doc

after you make new setups you can do a final update the setup tables at the end of the file
trans-jordan was added back in yet

Also, need one thing not sure where to add. You are not allowed to take off the free hits off your two hit wonders beyond the first time you do that.

in the main rules file
I’ll add it under hit allocation

Also, where is the rule about the Italian navy not leaving the Medd unless they take Gibraltar

see 1939 rules
under Italy

and where is the rule that the allies cant enter the Baltic unless they own Norway and Germany?

no it wasn’t norway
control of passable is completely in territory Germany (ie. DenmarK)

in the standard map I’ve drew in canal icons
as it is exactly OOB canal rule so I didn’t explicitly mention it as a new rule

@tekkyy:

@dodgyflyyer:

so what are the final links to this map and can it be opened by anything other than adobe illustrator?

over time I provide 72dpi PNG exports
and occasionally 300dpi PNG exports (which takes 30 minutes having to import it into photoshop)

the illustrator files should be viewable by acrobat reader
sometimes it doesn’t display properly I think its working alright this time

sorry i’m a bit of a newb, what do you mean by 72dpi PNG or 300dpi PNG exports?

its a picture format
JPEG is good for photos
PNG is good for artworks

2008-02-15 PNG with setup
http://www.mediafire.com/?fmylxwh4hcx

2008-02-15 PNG with no setup
http://www.mediafire.com/?cxv4bnvzmmw

note Imperious Leader has been doing playtesting and is about to make a few changes to unit setup

oh my god, that’s amazing.  i like the important step of recognizing china as an independent force.  italy’s good too, but really, as long as it’s historically accurate they will suck.  i can only imagine how many hours were put into this, first rate stuff.  i’m really excited by the stuff i’m finding on this site, namiely this and the axis and allies europe board i found in the forum.

Good work

The orange circle with a number is useless

Make the city bigger, and put the number in it, looks better

This sentence make no sence to me. What are you saying? The rule should say not passable unless control of Germany by Allies. Denmark was the straight that blocked things.

I meant “passage” instead of “passable”
control of passage is completely determined by friendly control of territory Germany
because its exactly the same as OOB canal rule and I didn’t bother making yet naother rule
just draw in the red control symbol like OOB

Ahh only jet planes (or bombers immune to AA. Also make the German NA for Long range bomber immune to this)

ok no immunity for Superfortress
immunity for Jet fighter and bombers
Amerika Bomber NA is already immune to AA

So that means you cant save money? thats not correct. You can save.

you can save
it says IPC not spent nor saved is forfeited

It should mention that so to avoid confusion.

I didn’t feel it would lead to confusion
I felt this is “Combat Move” so you shouldn’t talk about “Non-combat Move”

how about I change it to
Units loaded in Combat Move must be offloaded in Combat Move same turn. Besides an amphibious assault you may also offload into friendly territories.

Ok where did this 50% thing come from? I don’t remember anything on this. So its saying you cannot bring in more than 1/2 of the currently attacked pieces to reinforce for combat?

at one stage you were against reinforces and I proposed 50%
before the colour version we didn’t have the limit

the 50% rule is independent of whether you are being attacked
this about not all forces are deployed as rapid response force

but we can remove that if you want

Its even more arbitrary.

why is it arbitrary?
so you attack with 2 tanks + 3 fighters
1 fighter would fight at -2 modifier
I think it good in that it considers the proportions (1-to-1)
not allowing air only attack on land units would be arbitrary

or if you want then forget 1-to-1 make it only apply only when have no land units

When the attacker brings in more air units than he is attacking on land, the defender has the opportunity to retreat BEFORE the start of combat. This would be that hes not really being engaged by anything but a token force, so he can shrug it off and not commit himself to combat. That allows the opportunity for each side to take it or leave it.

this rule would be weird
just because attacker has a lot of air force somehow its lets the defender retreat?

what you are thinking (regarding token attack force) is actually ALREADY in place

if you attack a large defending force of 10 units with a small attacking force of 5 units, much of the large defending force (10 - 5 = 5 units) can relocate via “land reinforcement” and is not committed to fight

remember the reinforcement rule is defender response and is not about reinforcing a particular battle

Yes but its like getting parts of the same rule piecemeal. it should be together explained one time so its easy to locate for clarification.

its not parts of the same rule
conduct combat aspects of the ID unit is mentioned ONLY in “Conduct Combat”

the overall system at the moment is to mention particular aspects in the relevant game phase

explaining aspects of one unit in different game phases in one place might be easier to locate all information about one unit
but you would not be reading it where you should be reading it

image applying what you said to air units in general
there’ll be lots of cross-referencing required through the book

I think the rule was If those units have movement points left over ( say armor moved only one) then it can move back.

well attacker retreat is allowed
it doesn’t question whether you have movement points left over
and rolling over unused “Combat Move” movement points into “Non-Combat Move” is exactly what we don’t allow
like our air movement system

Otherwise their is not any risk ever, anybody can play keep away. The real war was never fought where you attack something and destroy the enemy and not even bother to seize the field of battle. Its too skiddish.

The idea of retreat is only when you suffer loses too great to continue. When you kill the enemy your fighting in the territory. Retreat after victory makes no historical value in this.

no you wouldn’t retreat completely
you would leave something behind to capture the territory

but the OOB model is not nice
it doesn’t make sense that you suddenly lose the ability to retreat because the enemy was killed

for a tactical level game with very short turns (like one combat cycle or one movement point but not both) than maybe
it has value

if you think its a problem with not being historical, think why and fix it at the relevant place
this model is correct
so don’t destroy it just because the end result isn’t right

the relevant place is probably to do with how many units are needed to capture a territory
it was mentioned in the past but wasn’t implemented

It does not need to be said if you dead you have nothing to retreat. If it only applies to planes in sea zones, then just say that because people read this and ask what is he saying?
“Remaining carrier based planes left after their carrier is sunk must use their last remaining movement points to find another landing spot.”

People are scratching their head on this. Leave this out. If you dead you cant retreat you are dead. Retreat only means 'IF YOU HAVE SHIPS LEFT TO RETREAT"  Again if your tasking about planes just say the answer for the item above.

I removed it as I’ve mentioned
yes it was about air units
it was a unneeded counterpart of something from land combat

It must be clear that people dont think they cant use DAS as the passive player and on their own turn also perform air missions. These are more than one mission on a turn : one as defender one as attacker.

yes previously it mentions as active/passive

its clear now
you should notice DAS is no longer mentioned with CA, SBR, GI

CA SBR and GI are mentioned together - for active turn
DAS is mentioned with reinforcement rules - for passive turn

Its needs to say what is the effect of SBR in BOTH cases with IC and w/o IC that is not clear. Your only taking about w/o an IC currently.

ok I’ll add a sentence

It needs to say at 2 VCP or higher. Otherwise people think you can only build them at 2 VCP. It has to make sense to everybody not just us.

Infantry are mobilised at victory cities. The number of units deployable per turn being the VCP value. Airborne units are mobilised at your capital victory city and requires 2 VCP each.

its not 2 VCP or higher
we are not talking about location, for location you can ONLY build Airborne at your capital
its 2 VCP each

I’ll reword to
Infantry units are mobilised at victory cities. Airborne Infantry units are mobilised at your capital victory city. The number of units deployable is determined by its VCP value. Infantry requires 1 VCP each and Airborne Infantry requires 2 VCP each.

Please explain this? SPA defends at 2 Tanks defend at 3 thats the only difference in stats.

you are forgetting that it supports infantry like a normal artillery does
so its a better buy for attacking punch

as for selecting casualty on a 1…

how about make it like Tanks hits allocation
ie. make SPA hits are allocated on Infantry and Airborne Infantry last

recall we tried to streamline gameplay and one thing was air units hit going for armored units first and infantry and airborne infantry last, removing air units selecitvely attack even in air superiority

Its almost ready we need to add it to the file. then prepare a 42 setup.

as mentioned said its already added, see the 1939 rules file that I posted
recall I’ve made that setup tables with the 2007-12-19 map
after you make setup adjustments update the table yourself

and please remember to use the map file (with layers) I uploaded
otherwise you’ll have 4 files (1939, 1942, 1939 with setup, 1942 with setup) for one map
otherwise
I wonder how you can represent setup

@Adlertag:

The orange circle with a number is useless

Make the city bigger, and put the number in it, looks better

thats an idea
it would free up space
the map with setup is quite cluttered

the victory city symbol is different to the capital symbol though
I think should remove the other flags and just have player flags at capital