@Adam514
And the rules list the facilities under the “unit profiles” heading and mentions that they are placed in the “Mobilize New Units phase”.
But otherwise I could not find it referencing them as “units”. So thanks for the clarification
AARHE 1939 map and rule files
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Yes of course! This will just be another version. Its possible to have more than one perfect map.
This will be a realistic version for aesthetics of a different type.
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ah I see you’ve implemented the colour change back to OOB Russia
I wrote the setup table in the rules file based on the map 2007-12-19 you pointed me to
there are maybe some consistencies such as Trans-Jordan didn’t have artillery on that mapif you want to update to the latest terrain settings
add mountainous to Morroco, Italian East Africa, Japan, Mexico, Western Canada
add snowy to Greenland, Buryatia, Yakut
add “small” to Midway, Wake, Marshall, Marianas (this quite important as there were no large islands in Central Pacific and probably why Allies historically had to go via South Pacific)the unit icons are not easy to read
maybe could make battleships larger to be distinct
say submarine 1, destroyer 1.5, battleship 2 units long
SZ14 Italian Cruiser has a different colour than the rest of the Italian navyIn illustrator how do move items between layers besides cut and paste? or is there a way to cut and paste without the item being shifted in x y coordinates
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The new setup is correct. The Artillery in Trans-Jordan are needed. The map with icons has these corrected.
To get a different layer you click object with right button and click select. Then pick the choice you want.
sometimes you need to enlarge the picture or move something to get at another thing and then move it back.
all repairs done new files are up.
BTW the map does not have wake. That island is not important. Also, added Azores to small category. If you find other errors just copy the text to where you want it and finish and ill post on page one.
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@Imperious:
To get a different layer you click object with right button and click select. Then pick the choice you want.
no I was referring to move an object A from layer B to layer C without changing object A’s x-y co-ordinates
what you were referring to is not layers but just overlapping objects
if there isn’t a way then it’ll be more work but should still have setup icons as a separate layer
then you’ve got one file rather two to maintain/upload/etcBTW the map does not have wake. That island is not important. Also, added Azores to small category. If you find other errors just copy the text to where you want it and finish and ill post on page one.
it certainly didn’t do much historical
why did the Japanese attack it? maybe it could have a useyeah Azores marked as “small” is right
and it would be great if Midway was in sz69 rather than sz56have yet another idea on how to have your beloved :wink: 3 SZ Bering Strait without being awarkard
mark icy bits of Soviet Far East and Alasaka as Artic Circle (Impassable)
sz63 is adjacent to these two impassables but not SFE or Alasakawhlie you are making Artic Cirlce, probably good time to remove OOB’s sz64 connection to Western Canada
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further on terrain
on standard map
*Caroline Islands is not “small” terrain (being Caroline, Marianas and Pacific Islands)
*Finland and Archangel is not Snowy (after considering climate map and monthly temperatures)but of course 1939 map doesn’t have to use the same benchmark
(though Archangel can be either as the city is right up north)
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Ok can you just make these changes? This thing never ends with so many little details. Just fix it this last time so we dont have any more changes to make. Move Midway etc.
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oh, you agree with all the proposals?
*Midway
*Bering Strait
*Caroline Islands
*Finland/ArchangelI think I found out how to bump objects into another layer in illustrator
http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1154471&page=1
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Not Finland and archangel. everything else is good.
If you want to add Iwo Jima (Bonin Islands) thats fine too.
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The rules file has grammar issues, run on sentences, misspelled words.
Also where did the oil rules go?
The NA’s need separate bold heading for names.
The techs got one thats stuck with another.
A number of confusing rules. Everything should be readable one time.
Case by case points:
first page Id lake the Version and released info in white so it shows up.
page 7 need sequence for 1939 version
page 10 IPC not spent nor saved is forfeited… what does this mean?
IPC path– you need to explain what a closed canal/ straight is ( reference by page #)
Convoy sea zone reverse last two sentences (you roll first and apply result latter)
Page 14 naval transport. So does this allow friendly naval transport during NCM?
Page 15 what does relocate 50% of land units mean?
page 16 Interdiction— Roll 1 die against each unit destroying it on its hit value? explain differently
page 17— excess air units fight with normal combat values -2 . explain?
anti-air ID rolls need to be placed with ID section. Its like reading chapter 1 now and chapter 2 latter
Page 18 the attacker can retreat even if the defender was destroyed? thats not correct.
page 21 naval combat— if only one side has naval units the other side must retreat? what is this?
attacker retreat— this is allowed even if defender has no units left?
page 24 Naval combat Amp ASs— however units that break off you may not continue amp assault? doe snot make sense.
air missions— each air unit can perform only one mission as the active player and one as the passive player ( DAS)
planes doing DAS can also perform other missions and thats not clear.
SBR — reference that the SR is an optional rule and reference page number.
Page 25 what is the maximum damage for territories with a factory?
page 28 deployment— airborne units are mobilized at capital victory city…do we need the 2 VCP part?
page 30 Rocket tech is stuck with Hvy bomber
self propelled---- i think we had some other value for this… for 5 ipc who would buy one? I thought we gave them a if they roll a one they select the unit they kill?
atomic bomb should be spaced away from that box
page 37 check the neutrals for inconsistencies from the new set up sheets
page 38-54 bold headings and separation of NA titles.
on page 37 replace AP for TR people don’t know about AP even though its the correct title.
the word Soviet Union is misspelled with a Unionm but i forgot where i saw it.
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@Imperious:
The rules file has grammar issues, run on sentences, misspelled words.
when I have time I’ll print it out and go through it slowly
Also where did the oil rules go?
thats 1939
recall the decide was want to minimize the length and leave as much of 1939 and 1942 as possible to the map rules fileThe NA’s need separate bold heading for names.
ok
and I just noticed we have Superfortress immune to Anti-AirThe techs got one thats stuck with another.
I found it
A number of confusing rules. Everything should be readable one time.
Case by case points:
first page Id lake the Version and released info in white so it shows up.
ok
page 7 need sequence for 1939 version
thats in 1939 rules
page 10 IPC not spent nor saved is forfeited… what does this mean?
it is lost and removed from the game
IPC path– you need to explain what a closed canal/ straight is ( reference by page #)
“closed” is as is LHTR
inserting cross reference to strait interdictionConvoy sea zone reverse last two sentences (you roll first and apply result latter)
ok
Page 14 naval transport. So does this allow friendly naval transport during NCM?
yes, that is not changed
Page 15 what does relocate 50% of land units mean?
recall you did not like all land units in a territory to be able to reinforce an adjacent friendly territory
hence we limit it to 50%
I should use the word move instead since its used throughout the paragraphpage 16 Interdiction–- Roll 1 die against each unit destroying it on its hit value? explain differently
lets change it to
Roll 1 die against each unit destroying it on success roll.page 17–- excess air units fight with normal combat values -2 . explain?
you wanted to remove air-only attack against land units
I wanted to keep it as I thought its too arbitrary to remove itso to model it better we let air only attack against land units but they would be as effective (hiding in bunkers etc)
anti-air ID rolls need to be placed with ID section. Its like reading chapter 1 now and chapter 2 latter
what do you mean by ID section? like units?
this happens in Conduct Combat phase so I put it in Conduct Combat phasePage 18 the attacker can retreat even if the defender was destroyed? thats not correct.
hm, we had this for a long time
the realism is simple straight forwardyou don’t suddenly lose the ability to retreat just because you destroyed the enemy
if you can retreat when the enemy is harassing you
you can retreat when th enemy is notof course, to capture the territory you must have an least one land unit behind
page 21 naval combat–- if only one side has naval units the other side must retreat? what is this?
yes actually it can removed
it has no effect
we already stated about carrier capacityattacker retreat–- this is allowed even if defender has no units left?
yes same reason as land combat
page 24 Naval combat Amp a**–- however units that break off you may not continue amp assault? doe snot make sense.
if the defender runs attacker can offload
if the attacker runs then they abort the landingI reword to this
Defender retreat via break-off and submerged submarines do not prevent the land combat portion of an amphibious assault. However attacker retreat via break-off aborts the amphibious assault.air missions–- each air unit can perform only one mission as the active player and one as the passive player ( DAS)
planes doing DAS can also perform other missions and thats not clear.which version is that?
my file words it as
Each air unit can only perform one air mission per turn. It may not perform normal combat in the same turn. Air missions are declared with normal combat moves. Air missions are resolved before normal combats and before Defensive Air Support air units arrive.
we refrain from letting units fight in more than one space or doing thing to cause a complex timeline to resolve
but anything is open to discussion
in the end we reduced the bomber cost to 14 IPC insteadSBR –- reference that the SR is an optional rule and reference page number.
yes will do
Page 25 what is the maximum damage for territories with a factory?
territory value
you must be referring to the difference of SBR on territories with IC and no ICbut I realise is not correct terminology
since excess damage is applied to saved IPC at that territoryso reword like this…
Economic attacks (SBR and rocket strikes) reduce a territory’s income at its next “Collect Income” phase and not reducing below zero. Excess hits are applied to saved IPC in that territory. SBR attacks are allowed on territories without an Industrial Complex. The maximum reduction to its next “Collect Income” phase is half of territory’s income value rounded down.
page 28 deployment–- airborne units are mobilized at capital victory city…do we need the 2 VCP part?
its to make it harder to raise then normal infantry
page 30 Rocket tech is stuck with Hvy bomber
yep got it
self propelled–-- i think we had some other value for this… for 5 ipc who would buy one? I thought we gave them a if they roll a one they select the unit they kill?
what we did give it was ability to participate one territory away
but that was found unrealisticit still has its value
INF 3 IPC
ART 4 IPC
ARM 5 IPC
SPA 5 IPCINF + ART = 7 IPC for 4 punch, 2 punch after 1 hit
INF + SPA = 8 IPC for 5 punch, 3 punch after 1 hit
INF + ARM = 8 IPC for 4 punch, 3 punch after 1 hitthey also move at 2 like tanks, so you can reinforce quickly
atomic bomb should be spaced away from that box
ok
page 37 check the neutrals for inconsistencies from the new set up sheets
I believe there are consistent with the map
there are no setup sheets for standard map
the 1939 setup is not includedpage 38-54 bold headings and separation of NA titles.
will do
on page 37 replace AP for TR people don’t know about AP even though its the correct title.
thats left over from previous abreviations regime
I’ll get rid of itthe word Soviet Union is misspelled with a Unionm but i forgot where i saw it.
found it, it was in diplomacy
http://home.exetel.com.au/cometo/20080215_AARHE.pdf
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@Imperious:
Not Finland and archangel. everything else is good.
If you want to add Iwo Jima (Bonin Islands) thats fine too.
Midway to sz69
Caroline Islands not small
you already have Iwo Jima and already marked smallsetup icons to setup icons layer
sea zone number and lines to sea zone layer
blue background to background layerso only one map file needed from now on
2008-02-15
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so what are the final links to this map and can it be opened by anything other than adobe illustrator?
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Tekkyy will provide these . WE are doing a final comb thru. I have played the game twice and its awesome. Now its grammar to finish up.
Map still has things. I will redo South America and make it look better.
Also TekkyY:
where is following:
Oil rules
Rules for Maginot/Siegfried lineI have new pictures showing progression of game. It plays VERY historical almost scary. WE got to spring 1942 and the map looked nearly exactly like AA Revised OOB set up ( no kidding) it was weird.
The set up needs another 1-2 UK infantry in Africa. UK needs perhaps one less destroyer ( not clear) USA needs one more ship ( destroyer or sub) to block southern or central approach to its Carrier. everything else is perfect 100% .
My god we really did this very much on target and not much work needs to be done. Of course a 1942/43 set up for 1939 map is forthcoming.
The naval combat is very fair. in two games only lost one plane to AA rolls ( ID) thats accurate.
Also, need one thing not sure where to add. You are not allowed to take off the free hits off your two hit wonders beyond the first time you do that.
Example: you got 2 BB and 1 DD, you allocate 2 hits, but instead of two free BB hits, you allowed one free BB hit and the other must either be that SAME BB or the DD. you cant do that cheap trick 2 BB hits retreat and immediately repair.
Also, where is the rule about the Italian navy not leaving the Medd unless they take Gibraltar and where is the rule that the allies cant enter the Baltic unless they own Norway and Germany?
I will respond to your comments on your post tomorrow. need sleep.
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so what are the final links to this map and can it be opened by anything other than adobe illustrator?
over time I provide 72dpi PNG exports
and occasionally 300dpi PNG exports (which takes 30 minutes having to import it into photoshop)the illustrator files should be viewable by acrobat reader
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@Imperious:
Map still has things. I will redo South America and make it look better.
ok do that with the file I uploaded
its got all the layers
changing shall be easyOil rules
Rules for Maginot/Siegfried linesee 1939 rules file
under Fortresses and Oil Centerslatest file (no changes since last posted)
http://home.exetel.com.au/cometo/20080214_AARHE_1939.docafter you make new setups you can do a final update the setup tables at the end of the file
trans-jordan was added back in yetAlso, need one thing not sure where to add. You are not allowed to take off the free hits off your two hit wonders beyond the first time you do that.
in the main rules file
I’ll add it under hit allocationAlso, where is the rule about the Italian navy not leaving the Medd unless they take Gibraltar
see 1939 rules
under Italyand where is the rule that the allies cant enter the Baltic unless they own Norway and Germany?
no it wasn’t norway
control of passable is completely in territory Germany (ie. DenmarK)in the standard map I’ve drew in canal icons
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so what are the final links to this map and can it be opened by anything other than adobe illustrator?
over time I provide 72dpi PNG exports
and occasionally 300dpi PNG exports (which takes 30 minutes having to import it into photoshop)the illustrator files should be viewable by acrobat reader
sometimes it doesn’t display properly I think its working alright this timesorry i’m a bit of a newb, what do you mean by 72dpi PNG or 300dpi PNG exports?
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its a picture format
JPEG is good for photos
PNG is good for artworks2008-02-15 PNG with setup
http://www.mediafire.com/?fmylxwh4hcx2008-02-15 PNG with no setup
http://www.mediafire.com/?cxv4bnvzmmwnote Imperious Leader has been doing playtesting and is about to make a few changes to unit setup
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oh my god, that’s amazing. i like the important step of recognizing china as an independent force. italy’s good too, but really, as long as it’s historically accurate they will suck. i can only imagine how many hours were put into this, first rate stuff. i’m really excited by the stuff i’m finding on this site, namiely this and the axis and allies europe board i found in the forum.
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People like you are why we are doing this service for others. This game must live on for many years because its meat and potatoes to counterweight the Euro/Fantasy/RPG trash out now.
control of passable is completely in territory Germany (ie. Denmark)
This sentence make no sence to me. What are you saying? The rule should say not passable unless control of Germany by Allies. Denmark was the straight that blocked things.
Also the 1939 file needs to be issued as Appendix in back of our rules.
Also, the page numbers are moving around. They need to be in one place preferably in bottom right hand corner.
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The NA’s need separate bold heading for names.
ok
and I just noticed we have Superfortress immune to Anti-AirAhh only jet planes (or bombers immune to AA. Also make the German NA for Long range bomber immune to this)
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page 10 IPC not spent nor saved is forfeited… what does this mean?
it is lost and removed from the gameSo that means you cant save money? thats not correct. You can save.
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Page 14 naval transport. So does this allow friendly naval transport during NCM?
yes, that is not changedIt should mention that so to avoid confusion.
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Page 15 what does relocate 50% of land units mean?
recall you did not like all land units in a territory to be able to reinforce an adjacent friendly territory
hence we limit it to 50%
I should use the word move instead since its used throughout the paragraphOk where did this 50% thing come from? I don’t remember anything on this. So its saying you cannot bring in more than 1/2 of the currently attacked pieces to reinforce for combat?
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page 17–- excess air units fight with normal combat values -2 . explain?
you wanted to remove air-only attack against land units
I wanted to keep it as I thought its too arbitrary to remove itso to model it better we let air only attack against land units but they would be as effective (hiding in bunkers etc)
OK but the rule as its written should be a complete sentence. “Excess air units than land units used in combat allocations receive a modifier of -2.”
I think this rule itself as a remedy is worse than the problem its supposed to cure. Its even more arbitrary. Whats basically going on is the front line units cant possibly be supported by more support units.
Perhaps lets do this. When the attacker brings in more air units than he is attacking on land, the defender has the opportunity to retreat BEFORE the start of combat. This would be that hes not really being engaged by anything but a token force, so he can shrug it off and not commit himself to combat. That allows the opportunity for each side to take it or leave it.
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anti-air ID rolls need to be placed with ID section. Its like reading chapter 1 now and chapter 2 latter
what do you mean by ID section? like units?
this happens in Conduct Combat phase so I put it in Conduct Combat phaseYes but its like getting parts of the same rule piecemeal. it should be together explained one time so its easy to locate for clarification.
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Page 18 the attacker can retreat even if the defender was destroyed? thats not correct.
hm, we had this for a long time
the realism is simple straight forwardI think the rule was If those units have movement points left over ( say armor moved only one) then it can move back. Otherwise their is not any risk ever, anybody can play keep away. The real war was never fought where you attack something and destroy the enemy and not even bother to seize the field of battle. Its too skiddish.
you don’t suddenly lose the ability to retreat just because you destroyed the enemy
if you can retreat when the enemy is harassing you
you can retreat when th enemy is notThe idea of retreat is only when you suffer loses too great to continue. When you kill the enemy your fighting in the territory. Retreat after victory makes no historical value in this.
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page 21 naval combat–- if only one side has naval units the other side must retreat? what is this?
yes actually it can removed
it has no effect
we already stated about carrier capacityIt does not need to be said if you dead you have nothing to retreat. If it only applies to planes in sea zones, then just say that because people read this and ask what is he saying?
“Remaining carrier based planes left after their carrier is sunk must use their last remaining movement points to find another landing spot.”
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attacker retreat–- this is allowed even if defender has no units left?
yes same reason as land combatPeople are scratching their head on this. Leave this out. If you dead you cant retreat you are dead. Retreat only means 'IF YOU HAVE SHIPS LEFT TO RETREAT" Again if your tasking about planes just say the answer for the item above.
I reword to this
Defender retreat via break-off and submerged submarines do not prevent the land combat portion of an amphibious assault. However attacker retreat via break-off aborts the amphibious assault.ok this is good.
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air missions–- each air unit can perform only one mission as the active player and one as the passive player ( DAS)
planes doing DAS can also perform other missions and thats not clear.
which version is that?
my file words it as
Each air unit can only perform one air mission per turn. It may not perform normal combat in the same turn. Air missions are declared with normal combat moves. Air missions are resolved before normal combats and before Defensive Air Support air units arrive.
we refrain from letting units fight in more than one space or doing thing to cause a complex timeline to resolve
but anything is open to discussion
in the end we reduced the bomber cost to 14 IPC insteadIt must be clear that people dont think they cant use DAS as the passive player and on their own turn also perform air missions. These are more than one mission on a turn : one as defender one as attacker.
The bomber thing was to make them more attractive.
so reword like this…
Economic attacks (SBR and rocket strikes) reduce a territory’s income at its next “Collect Income” phase and not reducing below zero. Excess hits are applied to saved IPC in that territory. SBR attacks are allowed on territories without an Industrial Complex. The maximum reduction to its next “Collect Income” phase is half of territory’s income value rounded down.
Its needs to say what is the effect of SBR in BOTH cases with IC and w/o IC that is not clear. Your only taking about w/o an IC currently.
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page 28 deployment–- airborne units are mobilized at capital victory city…do we need the 2 VCP part?
its to make it harder to raise then normal infantryIt needs to say at 2 VCP or higher. Otherwise people think you can only build them at 2 VCP. It has to make sense to everybody not just us.
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self propelled–-- i think we had some other value for this… for 5 ipc who would buy one? I thought we gave them a if they roll a one they select the unit they kill?
what we did give it was ability to participate one territory away
but that was found unrealisticit still has its value
INF 3 IPC
ART 4 IPC
ARM 5 IPC
SPA 5 IPCWhy would anybody but it. its a 3/2 unit for 5 IPC and a Tank is 3/3 for 5 IPC. What the heck?
These are both heavy artillery and mobile artillery ( katyuskas, tank destroyers) Thats why perhaps the thing should be able to kill target of choice on roll of one.
INF + SPA = 8 IPC for 5 punch, 3 punch after 1 hit
INF + ARM = 8 IPC for 4 punch, 3 punch after 1 hitPlease explain this? SPA defends at 2 Tanks defend at 3 thats the only difference in stats.
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page 37 check the neutrals for inconsistencies from the new set up sheets
I believe there are consistent with the map
there are no setup sheets for standard map
the 1939 setup is not includedIts almost ready we need to add it to the file. then prepare a 42 setup.
Ok good for now. till 24 hours and you know what happens then…
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