Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 6 artilleries and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Morocco to South Atlantic Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Bay of Biscay Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to France Americans take France from Germans 1 destroyer moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Bay of Biscay Sea Zone 6 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 6 infantry and 3 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 6 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom 1 transport moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Tunisia to Northern Italy Combat - Americans Strategic bombing raid in Northern Italy Bombing raid in Northern Italy rolls: 6 and costs: 6 PUs. Bombing raid costs 6 PUs Non Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Libya Place Units - Americans 6 artilleries placed in United States 2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 44 PUs; end with 45 PUsVF (Germany) vs. DoMan (Allies) | Original Europe, Game 4 - Balance 2.0
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@DoManMacgee @The_Good_Captain
The dice favored Germany throughout the entire game and the odds for a win are 70%. I’m not sure if that’s too low or if that’s actually OK. My first impression is that the game would now be slightly in the Allies’ favor.
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@VictoryFirst The entire UK airforce (3 FTR/1 BOMB) exchanged for 1 BB/1 TT on turn 1. That was a 1% outcome and had it gone normally (1 bomber dies, the 3 fighters live) Moscow would be ~40%. Will post turns later to play the game out.
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@DoManMacgee Game History
Round: 5[AAE-modified-game1-A5.tsvg](/forums/assets/uploads/files/1734016083178-aae-modified-game1-a5.tsvg) Purchase Units Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move 40 infantry moved from Russia to Belorussia 7 infantry moved from Moscow to Belorussia 5 armour, 4 artilleries and 25 infantry moved from Turkestan to Belorussia Russians undo move 3. Russians undo move 2. Russians undo move 1. 5 armour, 4 artilleries and 25 infantry moved from Turkestan to Moscow 40 infantry moved from Russia to Moscow Combat Recording Battle Statistics Non Combat Move 1 aaGun moved from Russia to Moscow Cleaning up during movement phase Place Units 7 infantry placed in Moscow Turn Complete Russians collect 20 PUs; end with 21 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 4 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 2 transports moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 6 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone 6 infantry and 3 transports moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 6 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Denmark 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Morocco to Tunisia Non Combat Move - British Place Units - British 4 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in United Kingdom 2 transports placed in Atlantic Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@VictoryFirst Sorry, forgot US Turn summary.
Game History
Round: 5 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 artillery, 7 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Poland 2 infantry moved from Denmark to Danish Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Baltic Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Poland 2 transports moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 transport moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Denmark 2 destroyers moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Moscow 2 destroyers moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Baltic Sea Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Poland 2 fighters moved from United States to United Kingdom 1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom Combat - Americans Battle in Poland Americans attack with 1 bomber and 3 infantry Germans defend with 1 armour and 2 infantry Americans roll dice for 2 destroyers in Poland, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Poland 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Poland Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Poland, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Poland, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Poland Americans win, taking Poland from Germans with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from Poland to Denmark Place Units - Americans 1 artillery and 7 infantry placed in United States 3 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.33 Germans regular : 0.67 -
Beyond my complaining about the dice, I also feel that I made a number of overly risky moves throughout the game that did not pay off (I got the Soviet Bomber/Fighter killed as well by trying strafes that did not work out). I also don’t think I played very efficiently with the US/UK navies in terms of getting troops into Europe.
Basically, I think Allies are too strong with this setup. I had miserable luck and played badly and Germany still only had ~70-73% on Berlin. In a more equal game I think Allies should be winning most of the time. I think Germany should be allowed to get their Romanian Infantry or the Bay of Biscay Sub back. However, I do agree that Germany should not have their 12 IPC bid at game start. I said as much in the other thread we were all posting in yesterday.
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Thank you for your comments, they were very valuable. I also start to think now the Romania thing has shifted the balance back into Allied favor. However I do strongly think that just the bay of biscay sub and 12 IPCs removed is NOT enough for game balance. I have had a couple of games were the dice were basically even and the odds for a German win were still 70%.
So thereby my suggestion is to remove 1-3 infantry from a territory that is NOT Romania, so for example Berlin. The Romanian infantry has a massive impact as it makes G1 attack on Ukraine impossible, therefore a lot of Russian units survive the first turn.
Would you like to test that idea out, instead one inf removed from Romania, one inf from Germany removed? Just to see how that play out. I greatly appreciate these games by the way, especially this one provided a lot of insights.
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@VictoryFirst Yeah that’s fine. Let’s at least play the last turn of this game first for the sake of completion.
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I wonder why you didn’t fly the US bomber to Moscow because now the Moscow odds are a little bit higher for me (74.28% vs 69.96%).
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 6
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved
Game History
Round: 6 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 21 armour, 9 artilleries and 53 infantry moved from Belorussia to Moscow 5 armour and 3 fighters moved from East Poland to Moscow 1 bomber moved from Germany to Moscow Combat - Germans Battle in Moscow Germans attack with 26 armour, 9 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 53 infantry Americans defend with 2 fighters; Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 factory and 79 infantry Russians roll AA dice in Moscow : 0/4 hits, 0,67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 26 armour, 9 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 53 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 32/92 hits, 28,50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 2 fighters and 79 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 29/90 hits, 30,67 expected hits 29 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow 32 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow Germans roll dice for 26 armour, 9 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 24 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 20/63 hits, 23,67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 2 fighters and 47 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 21/58 hits, 20,00 expected hits 21 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow 20 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow Germans roll dice for 26 armour, 9 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 infantry in Moscow, round 4 : 20/42 hits, 19,17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 2 fighters and 27 infantry in Moscow, round 4 : 19/38 hits, 13,33 expected hits 9 artilleries owned by the Germans, 3 infantry owned by the Germans and 7 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow 20 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow Germans roll dice for 19 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Moscow, round 5 : 12/23 hits, 11,67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 2 fighters and 7 infantry in Moscow, round 5 : 6/18 hits, 6,67 expected hits 6 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow 7 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 armour owned by the Russians and 4 artilleries owned by the Russians lost in Moscow Germans roll dice for 13 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Moscow, round 6 : 6/17 hits, 8,67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 4 armour and 2 fighters in Moscow, round 6 : 2/6 hits, 2,67 expected hits 2 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow 4 armour owned by the Russians and 2 fighters owned by the Americans lost in Moscow Germans captures 21PUs while taking Russians capital Germans win, taking Moscow from Russians with 11 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 32 Casualties for Germans: 15 armour, 9 artilleries and 53 infantry Casualties for Russians: 5 armour, 4 artilleries and 79 infantry Casualties for Americans: 2 fighters Non Combat Move - Germans Trigger GermanVictoryConditionsMet: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachmentGermanVictorySwitch attached to Germans 1 bomber moved from Moscow to Belorussia 3 fighters moved from Moscow to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from Eastern France to Germany 6 infantry moved from Norway to Finland Place Units - Germans 12 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 34 PUs; end with 55 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : 3,67 Germans regular : -1,67 Russians AA : -0,67 -
@VictoryFirst said in VF (Germany) vs. DoMan (Allies) | Original Europe, Game 4 - Balance 2.0:
I wonder why you didn’t fly the US bomber to Moscow because now the Moscow odds are a little bit higher for me (74.28% vs 69.96%).
Never mind, that creates better odds for the attack on Berlin, resulting in better odds for the Allies overall.
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@VictoryFirst Game History
Round: 6 Turn Complete - RussiansCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Game History
Round: 6 Purchase Units - British British buy 4 artilleries and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 6 infantry moved from Denmark to Germany 2 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 3 transports moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Atlantic Sea Zone 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 4 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany 1 armour moved from Tunisia to Egypt Combat - British Battle in Germany British attack with 4 artilleries and 14 infantry Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 factory and 26 infantry British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Germany, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 4 artilleries and 14 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 5/18 hits, 4.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 26 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 9/26 hits, 8.67 expected hits 9 infantry owned by the British lost in Germany 5 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany British roll dice for 4 artilleries and 5 infantry in Germany, round 3 : 4/9 hits, 2.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 21 infantry in Germany, round 3 : 5/21 hits, 7.00 expected hits 5 infantry owned by the British lost in Germany 4 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany British roll dice for 4 artilleries in Germany, round 4 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 17 infantry in Germany, round 4 : 8/17 hits, 5.67 expected hits 4 artilleries owned by the British lost in Germany 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany Germans win with 16 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -28 Casualties for British: 4 artilleries and 14 infantry Casualties for Germans: 10 infantry Non Combat Move - British Place Units - British 4 artilleries and 6 infantry placed in United Kingdom Turn Complete - British British collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 0.67 British regular : 1.17Game History
Round: 6 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 3 artilleries, 5 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 artillery, 7 infantry and 4 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Mid-Atlantic Sea Zone 1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 artillery, 7 infantry and 4 transports moved from Mid-Atlantic Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 transport moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone 2 transports moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Denmark to Germany 2 infantry moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Germany 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Germany 1 transport moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 2 destroyers moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Poland to Germany 1 bomber moved from Denmark to Germany Combat - Americans Battle in Germany Americans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 5 infantry Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 factory and 16 infantry Germans roll AA dice in Germany : 1/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in Germany Americans roll dice for 2 destroyers in Germany, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 5 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 2.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 16 infantry in Germany, round 2 : 4/16 hits, 5.33 expected hits 4 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Germany 3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Germany, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 13 infantry in Germany, round 3 : 5/13 hits, 4.33 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Americans, 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in Germany 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Germany Germans win with 11 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -39 Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 5 infantry Casualties for Germans: 5 infantry Non Combat Move - Americans Place Units - Americans 3 artilleries and 5 infantry placed in United States 2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 1.00 Germans AA : 0.50 Germans regular : -0.67That’s the game. If you start the next one I will make my move later tonight. Need to do some things at work.
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