Worst Case for Germany

Okay, I need ideas or things that work/don’t work in dealing with a worst case G1.

There was 1 inf bid to Lib, 3 IPC to Ger, and 2 IPC to Japan, so I have 43 IPC to spend and it is G1.

Russia attacked Wrus and Ukr and took Wrus with 8 inf, 1 rt, 2 arm and took Ukr with 2 inf, 1 rt, 2 arm.  :cry:
Ugh.  My defenders only hit 1 inf in each.

This player typically goes to Alg on UK and US 1 and plays a US Pac strat.

I’d really like to go after UK which means either Atlantic or Med focus.  I would go G AC to Baltic, but I think it is just going to get trapped and if I have a bad Egy attack on G1, it is game over.

So I’m leaning toward a Med Naval build, or perhaps lots of air and simply try and sink the Allied fleet.

Here are some options

2 bom build?
2-3 ftrs? (or a combination of ftr/bom)
ac/trn for Med?
bb/trn for Med?

Other ideas?

My concern about the Baltic AC is if things go poorly in Afr on G1, I might not really be able to do much after that.

My opponent plays a very strong Russia and with a large stack already in Wrus, he can counter a lot of moves.

ANY Naval buy by me concedes Ukr to Russia by rd 2 at the latest.  So I need a way to eaither cripple the Allied Fleet early, or try and go long term for Afr, which is why I was leaning toward a Med build if I go navy.

But the AC/Trn (or 2) for baltic is definitely an option, but I’m just a little worried about Africa in that case.

I agree, but due to the bad start in Europe, I’ll need income from somewhere or this is going to be a very short war.

Certainly Nor + Kar (if Baltic fleet) and a northern route with a threaten of London is an option but is it the best when confronted by such a good Russian opening.  :-D

Just trying to weigh Med vs. Baltic vs. Air.

Keep the ideas coming.  :-)

I would normally agree with that, but this opponent goes US Pac strat.  Well at least he has in our previous 3 games and usually goes by the philosophy of not letting Japan just expand without attacking her.

I can almost count on a UK/US landing in Alg in rd 1, counter of Egy if I have 1-2 units left (or a UK unification in Sz 30 with all UK ME/Pac ships (with loaded trn)) and US will buy either 2 ACs (with ftr) or an AC and BB for the Wus sz.

I’m open to the counter of Ukr even if it cost me rt or tanks, but I need to either immediately cripple the Allied fleet in the Atlantic (in rds 1-3) or play for the long haul which means I’ll need a commitment to Afr in rds 1-3 (or more).

I guess what I’m getting at would be, would an ac/trn for the Med work, or just ignore it and do the best with what I’ve got and go 1 ftr, 11 inf and indeed play def.
Maybe 1 ftr a rd, plus inf.

I don’t mind playing def with Germany, I’m very good at deadzoning/trapping and trading, but if that is the case I need a way to counter the US in the Pac.  He’ll buy 1 AC and 2 ftrs a round with US.

I still haven’t found the best way to counter that (even after 3 games).

He’ll also unload in Alg on UK/US 2.  Which is why I’m inclined to buy a ftr a rd instead of tanks.  And it makes an African campaing very costly to the Germans which is why I want to see if the commitment is worth it, long term.  I can’t afford any bad purchases.

Oh yeah, he’ll most likely buy air on UK 1.

@Nix:

Your bad starts means you must Survive with germany untill japan saves the day.

2 ways of doing that.

1. Use my Airforce strat with Germany (se strategy thread)

2. buy 10 Inf G1, 10 Art G2, 10 Arm (or 8 depending on succes) on G3, and pray you break Russia   (tried that yesterday, and was wiped…  But to my defense i must say that out of 18 2´s i only hit 3, and russia hit a lot better.)

And what are the odds that i hit 1 out of 9 Arm, and my enemy hits 8 of 9 2´s?…

but both should give you a great chance of taking Russia out, and if need be keep the armour in Eastern europe and you will be in a good possition to kick some US/UK butt in Normandie counter attack, and then wait for Japan.

You snuck in this post before my other response, but there is a high probability that US will go after Japan.

I’ve tried the “ignore it”, I’ve tried the “spend defensively only - minimal ship buys” and I’ve tried the “almost match him ship for ship” and have faired poorly each time.  And that was without Germany starting in such a hole.

@Jennifer:

Not saying it’s a good or bad idea, but if you’re desperate for Africa, why not get a transport in CMD?

I’m open to it, but it is a sitting duck (2 Rus ftrs in Cauc) without a purchase of a capital ship for protection, unless I bypass Egy on G1 which I don’t really want to do.  Not sure if I want spend 20 IPC on Med ships.

@squirecam:

@DarthMaximus:

I don’t mind playing def with Germany, I’m very good at deadzoning/trapping and trading, but if that is the case I need a way to counter the US in the Pac.  He’ll buy 1 AC and 2 ftrs a round with US.

I still haven’t found the best way to counter that (even after 3 games).

With that buy, USA has 2 fighters, BB, AC, DD, Transport (19 def). Japan can have 6 fighters Bomber, 2 BB, DD, and sub or transport (32-35)

Essentially, if you are SURE he plans that buy, Hit the USA WC fleet while you have such great odds.

Squirecam

Good idea.  I’ve been think of being more aggressive against the US.  I think positioning my fleet better on J1 will help, as you suggest.

@Amon-Sul:

@DarthMaximus:

I still haven’t found the best way to counter that (even after 3 games).

why dont you try placing a inf or 2 in Ukraine-i mean the bid

Too late for that.  :-)
Although we play split-bid limit.  So in order to get 2 inf, I’d have to bid 12.
I have considered that 8 bid is too low to begin with (with split bids).
But I like the challange, I just don’t like the great dice Russia got.  :-)

@Jennifer:

@DarthMaximus:

@Jennifer:

Not saying it’s a good or bad idea, but if you’re desperate for Africa, why not get a transport in CMD?

I’m open to it, but it is a sitting duck (2 Rus ftrs in Cauc) without a purchase of a capital ship for protection, unless I bypass Egy on G1 which I don’t really want to do. Not sure if I want spend 20 IPC on Med ships.

Why arn’t you bidding 2 infantry or an infantry/artillery into Libya? If you are, you don’t need to by-pass taking out Egypt can can leave your BB/Trn in CMD.

Split bid limit.  Probably the last time I’ll play with it.  And as I said above, I’m aware that 8 bid with split just might be too low.

@nooob:

In this case I think you might have to rely on your dice G1.  If you have 1 extra INF in Libya send the med fleet west(Egypt is gonna be tough).  You know he’s gonna go to SZ12 great! Make him pay for Algeria.  Have you airforce in range as well as BBS, SUB, TRN then you can send his atlantic fleet to the bottom easily.  A buy of 1ACC, 1FIG, 1 TRN +INF will simultaneously shut down the atlantic and force the UK to go defensive.  Then turn you attention to those pesky Russians. Unfortunatly you now have to play D on the eastern front.

Not bad.  Kill the DD in Sz 15 with ftrs right?