AARHE: Phase 3: Income

Either they are “pre-approved” on the chart, or written in… Pretty much the start of the convoy is well known (they can be write in as well, give me feedback on that one) And the British can use any Canal that is friendly…

GG

When you guys decide the convoy system post the entire idea as you want it in the rules. I dont have much time to figure it out.

Tekkyy, I think I get what your going at… Basically it must be routed through the shortest route, so if that means through the Pacific, so be it (but I doubt that will be necessary, except maybe with the Australian Convoy)… After you choose the route, either you have a set pattern for the target zones, or you can choose them yourself, provided one of them is adjacent to the End Destination…

Convoys:
Convoys are means of transporting your economy from distant holdings to your home factories. 2 Territories will be considered the Home Territory, where you are routing from; and the Destination Territory, where you are routing too. You may buy a route during your purchase units phase. Routes are through the shortest routes to your factories; this includes Canals, except if they are enemy occupied at the beginning of your turn. After choosing the route secretly, pay 1 IPC per SZ the route travels through. You must also choose 3 SZ’s, called target SZ’s where your convoy can get attacked from. One of them must be adjacent to the Destination Territory. The other 2 are at the discretion of the player. Record them on your shipping log. Your route may now transfer IPC’s from the home territory and all adjacent territories to to the destination territory. The Income is added at your collect income phase by counting up the IPC’s recorded on the appropriate shipping logs.
        The enemy may choose to raid your convoys. Any Naval or Air Unit with an Attack Value may choose to search for your convoys. Use the ASW Search Roll for this action. If he is correct, and finds a convoy, he may preform an attack against it, using his attack values. This lasts for only 1 round. For every hit, you must remove 3 IPC’s from your bank. If the convoy is being guarded by your own naval shipping the enemy must defeat your defending fleet before he can attack.

I want to change the last part to must make a breakthrough roll, but I haven’t figure that out…

GG

Breakthrough refers to breaching the enemy convoy defense fleet…
OK, I could agree with 1 roll…
Any “Military” Naval units can kill Convoys.
it can be figured out in your head… If you want to do it that way though, we could always have a “cheat sheet” with Income supported in each territory and cost… I would just do it in your head…

GG

Specificially, can Transports hit convoys?

• No

And I am thinking for air units only Naval Fighers/Fighters on Aircraft Carrier.

• Fighters on land were used in Convoy raiding expeditions. No reason why they should be discluded, except maybe that they can only attack Coastal Zones.

Income and cost? Is this that thing about buying convoys? Is that neccessary?

• Yes! That is why I mentioned it as optional since I thought it would be unnecessary.

And what about that convoy transportation issue?

• That is all on the log, either check off system or number write in. Could you be more specific about what you mean here? I think I know but I can’t be sure.

Can all sea shore territories send income via sea?

• Yes. You write them in and the adjacent territories supported.

Can convoy go sea-land-sea? I would think sea only or land-sea.

• Land sea. too complex other way…

GG

Yep, no buying convoy chips just routes.

I can give you some ideas, but I have all the rudimentary paint programs so I am not the man that can work it, but basically we will need:

A list form of to-from locations, 3 boxes beside them (for “combat” SZ’s), cost(length), and how much income is supported.

During enemy combat. You can put chips on top of a “roundel” that has the Convoy value on it.

GG

Ok, I understand your reasoning there. I think then that it should be a separate action of “engagement”. So movement and raiding is the same turn, or maybe you should have to be in the same SZ in order to raid… Either way, it would still be simple to the point… I hate adding new phases but this one shouldn’t be much…

GG

OK, but don’t we collect income at the end of our turn? How can you use a fleet to protect a convoy if it isn’t in combat?

GG

OK, you addressed a lot there!

3 Convoy SZ:
I thought at first of actually making it 4, of course the convoy is only declared as being “started” i.e. Germany gets word of convoys delivering goods in Southampton, Subs are on the prowl to find the destination; Or in simplier terms that mumbo jumbo means that when you buy a convoy all you have to do is say “I am purchasing a convoy”. The enemy may know that you are transporting goods but he doesn’t know from where. So even if we add 4 “combat” SZ’s all of them are still hidden.

Shortest Path:
I made that rule to avoid people from making some wild path that goes around the Cape of South America, giving them the ability to hide a convoy in waters that weren’t even traversed during WW2, or rarely and never by convoys. It was to fulfill the “Historical” claim of this project. But The Mediterraenean even being the shortest route, may not be the one used. Since no Convoys are active at the beginning of the game, it is possible that Anglo Egypt will fall therefore making a Med convoy impossible and if the British want to avoid a convoy route they can’t protect the easiest, they can invest in one after they lose the canal. I said all that to say that I like your idea better 8-) but I had to explain why I went the way I did…

Land then Sea Transport:
Kenya actually may be the best port to choose. If you chose South Africa you can only get 4 IPC’s (Including Madagascar), whereas Kenya can get 6. And no the all rules are in affect even if Africa falls to the Germans. They have to use ports to get supplies back home. Why would they need to change? It adds an element that the Germans didn’t deal with but would have had to.

GG

Actually I meant that we collect income at the beginning (my bad). That will work… 2 Options then are possible regarding attacking the defending naval units: 1, you need to destroy all enemy naval units covering the convoy before you can shoot at the convoy itself, or option 2, convoy covering naval units can only shoot at the enemy (in combat) in hopes you kill enough stuff to make the attack not profitable (always can hit convoys regardless of cover)… If I am not seeing that you have already said this ignore this part, and just correct anything in the rules.

Exactly, write in makes in an interesting and useful addition to the game.

No, the rule I wrote was: “Your route may now transfer IPC’s from the home territory and all adjacent territories to to the destination territory.” Or when you build a convoy route, the starting territory can collect income from its territory and all adjacent territories including adjacent Island territories via adjacent SZ’s. South Africa gets its own income (2), Kenya (1), and Madagascar (adjacent SZ) (1), making a total convoy income of 4 IPC’s. Kenya gets its own (1), Madagascar (1), South Africa (1), IEA (1), and FEA (1), making an income of 6.

GG