@simon-tressel Full scramble please. Thanks! and…
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So, the Carrier scramble rules are a little different than the original Airbase scramble rules, which DO allow you to scramble into an undefended sea zone being subject to amphibious assault. In all cases, TripleA asks if you want to scramble, but there are cases, like the one in question in our game, that the rules disallow it.
OK, I will repost my move
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0
Game History
Round: 5
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Americans
1 marine moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Morocco to 93 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Morocco to 93 Sea Zone
1 armour, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry, 3 submarines and 2 transports moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
1 marine moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 mech_infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 armour moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 fighter moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
2 destroyers moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
1 battleship moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
2 submarines moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to 27 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from Hawaiian Islands to 24 Sea Zone
3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Queensland to 27 Sea Zone
2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western United States to 2 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from Hawaiian Islands to 28 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 28 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 28 Sea Zone to 9 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 9 Sea Zone to Aleutian Islands
1 artillery moved from 9 Sea Zone to Aleutian Islands
Combat - Americans
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Scramble fighter from 115 to 113?
@owentoo If I had known, I would have escorted the trn with a DD… but anyway, no scramble
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0
Game History
Round: 5
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Americans
1 marine moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Morocco to 93 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Morocco to 93 Sea Zone
1 armour, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry, 3 submarines and 2 transports moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
1 marine moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 mech_infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 armour moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 fighter moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
2 destroyers moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
1 battleship moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
2 submarines moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to 27 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from Hawaiian Islands to 24 Sea Zone
3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Queensland to 27 Sea Zone
2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western United States to 2 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from Hawaiian Islands to 28 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 28 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 28 Sea Zone to 9 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 9 Sea Zone to Aleutian Islands
1 artillery moved from 9 Sea Zone to Aleutian Islands
Combat - Americans
Battle in 24 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 1 bomber
Japanese defend with 1 transport
1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 24 Sea Zone
Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
Battle in 113 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 1 fighter, 3 submarines and 2 transports
Germans defend with 1 destroyer
Americans roll dice for 3 submarines in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in 113 Sea Zone
Americans win with 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 1 fighter, 3 submarines and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
Battle in United Kingdom
Americans attack with 1 armour, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Germans defend with 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
Americans roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in United Kingdom, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 3.17 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in United Kingdom, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
1 artillery owned by the Germans, 3 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in United Kingdom
Americans win, taking United Kingdom from Germans with 1 armour, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 marine and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
Battle in 27 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 1 battleship, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 27 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 27 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 27 Sea Zone
Americans win, taking 27 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
Battle in 2 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
Japanese defend with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
Americans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 cruiser owned by the Japanese lost in 2 Sea Zone
Americans win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
Casualties for Americans: 1 tactical_bomber
Casualties for Japanese: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
Battle in Aleutian Islands
Americans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 marine
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Aleutian Islands, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 marine in Aleutian Islands, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Aleutian Islands
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Aleutian Islands, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 marine in Aleutian Islands, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Aleutian Islands, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 marine in Aleutian Islands, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Aleutian Islands, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 marine in Aleutian Islands, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 marine owned by the Japanese lost in Aleutian Islands
Americans win, taking Aleutian Islands from Japanese with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 marine
Non Combat Move - Americans
2 fighters moved from 2 Sea Zone to Alaska
1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to Alaska
1 destroyer moved from 28 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from 24 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
1 carrier moved from 11 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
3 carriers, 3 cruisers and 2 transports moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Central United States to 104 Sea Zone
1 destroyer, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 113 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco
Place Units - Americans
1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 11 Sea Zone
1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 104 Sea Zone
Americans undo move 2.
1 transport placed in 104 Sea Zone
2 fighters and 1 submarine placed in 11 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 fighter placed in Eastern United States
Americans undo move 4.
Americans undo move 3.
1 artillery and 2 fighters placed in Eastern United States
1 fighter and 1 submarine placed in 11 Sea Zone
Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 50 PUs; end with 50 PUs
Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs
Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 65 PUs
Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs
Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 75 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 1.83
Japanese regular : -0.50
Germans regular : 0.33
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0
Game History
Round: 5
Purchase Units - Chinese
Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;
Combat Move - Chinese
3 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
1 fighter moved from Burma to Yunnan
Combat - Chinese
Battle in Yunnan
Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
Japanese defend with 2 infantry
Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
1 fighter owned by the Chinese retreated
2 infantry owned by the Chinese retreated to Burma
Japanese win with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - Chinese
1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Burma
1 infantry moved from Northern Sinkiang to Western Sinkiang
Place Units - Chinese
1 infantry placed in Northern Sinkiang
Turn Complete - Chinese
Chinese collect 2 PUs; end with 4 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : -1.00
Japanese regular : 0.33
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0
Game History
Round: 5
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Americans
1 marine moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Morocco to 93 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Morocco to 93 Sea Zone
1 armour, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry, 3 submarines and 2 transports moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
1 marine moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 mech_infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 armour moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 fighter moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
2 destroyers moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
1 battleship moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
2 submarines moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to 27 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from Hawaiian Islands to 24 Sea Zone
3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Queensland to 27 Sea Zone
2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western United States to 2 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from Hawaiian Islands to 28 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 28 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 28 Sea Zone to 9 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 9 Sea Zone to Aleutian Islands
1 artillery moved from 9 Sea Zone to Aleutian Islands
Combat - Americans
Battle in 24 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 1 bomber
Japanese defend with 1 transport
1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 24 Sea Zone
Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
Battle in 113 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 1 fighter, 3 submarines and 2 transports
Germans defend with 1 destroyer
Americans roll dice for 3 submarines in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in 113 Sea Zone
Americans win with 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 1 fighter, 3 submarines and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
Battle in United Kingdom
Americans attack with 1 armour, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Germans defend with 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
Americans roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in United Kingdom, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 3.17 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in United Kingdom, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
1 artillery owned by the Germans, 3 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in United Kingdom
Americans win, taking United Kingdom from Germans with 1 armour, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 marine and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
Battle in 27 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 1 battleship, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 27 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 27 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 27 Sea Zone
Americans win, taking 27 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
Battle in 2 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
Japanese defend with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
Americans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 cruiser owned by the Japanese lost in 2 Sea Zone
Americans win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
Casualties for Americans: 1 tactical_bomber
Casualties for Japanese: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
Battle in Aleutian Islands
Americans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 marine
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Aleutian Islands, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 marine in Aleutian Islands, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Aleutian Islands
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Aleutian Islands, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 marine in Aleutian Islands, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Aleutian Islands, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 marine in Aleutian Islands, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Aleutian Islands, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 marine in Aleutian Islands, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 marine owned by the Japanese lost in Aleutian Islands
Americans win, taking Aleutian Islands from Japanese with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 marine
Non Combat Move - Americans
2 fighters moved from 2 Sea Zone to Alaska
1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to Alaska
1 destroyer moved from 28 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from 24 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
1 carrier moved from 11 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
3 carriers, 3 cruisers and 2 transports moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Central United States to 104 Sea Zone
1 destroyer, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 113 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco
Place Units - Americans
1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 11 Sea Zone
1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 104 Sea Zone
Americans undo move 2.
1 transport placed in 104 Sea Zone
2 fighters and 1 submarine placed in 11 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 fighter placed in Eastern United States
Americans undo move 4.
Americans undo move 3.
1 artillery and 2 fighters placed in Eastern United States
1 fighter and 1 submarine placed in 11 Sea Zone
Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 50 PUs; end with 50 PUs
Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs
Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 65 PUs
Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs
Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 75 PUs
Purchase Units - Chinese
Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;
Combat Move - Chinese
3 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
1 fighter moved from Burma to Yunnan
Combat - Chinese
Battle in Yunnan
Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
Japanese defend with 2 infantry
Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
1 fighter owned by the Chinese retreated
2 infantry owned by the Chinese retreated to Burma
Japanese win with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - Chinese
1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Burma
1 infantry moved from Northern Sinkiang to Western Sinkiang
Place Units - Chinese
1 infantry placed in Northern Sinkiang
Turn Complete - Chinese
Chinese collect 2 PUs; end with 4 PUs
Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - British
3 submarines moved from 83 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern India to Yunnan
1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
Combat - British
Battle in Yunnan
British attack with 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Japanese defend with 2 infantry
British roll dice for 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
British roll dice for 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
British win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
Casualties for British: 1 infantry
1 artillery moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
1 infantry moved from Syria to 100 Sea Zone
1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 transports moved from 100 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 94 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
1 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
1 fighter moved from Egypt to Gibraltar
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Eastern India
3 infantry moved from Burma to Eastern India
1 artillery moved from Eastern India to Burma
1 aaGun moved from Burma to Eastern India
2 mech_infantrys moved from Burma to Central India
Turn Complete - British
British collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUs
Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 38 PUs
Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 41 PUs
Place Units - UK_Pacific
1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Eastern India
Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
UK_Pacific collect 7 PUs; end with 7 PUs
Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : -1.00
Americans regular : 1.83
Japanese regular : -0.17
Germans regular : 0.33
British regular : -0.33
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0
Game History
Round: 5
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Americans
1 marine moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Morocco to 93 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Morocco to 93 Sea Zone
1 armour, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry, 3 submarines and 2 transports moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
1 marine moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 mech_infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 armour moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 fighter moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
2 destroyers moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
1 battleship moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
2 submarines moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to 27 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from Hawaiian Islands to 24 Sea Zone
3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Queensland to 27 Sea Zone
2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western United States to 2 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from Hawaiian Islands to 28 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 28 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 28 Sea Zone to 9 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 9 Sea Zone to Aleutian Islands
1 artillery moved from 9 Sea Zone to Aleutian Islands
Combat - Americans
Battle in 24 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 1 bomber
Japanese defend with 1 transport
1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 24 Sea Zone
Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
Battle in 113 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 1 fighter, 3 submarines and 2 transports
Germans defend with 1 destroyer
Americans roll dice for 3 submarines in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in 113 Sea Zone
Americans win with 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 1 fighter, 3 submarines and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
Battle in United Kingdom
Americans attack with 1 armour, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Germans defend with 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
Americans roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in United Kingdom, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 3.17 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in United Kingdom, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
1 artillery owned by the Germans, 3 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in United Kingdom
Americans win, taking United Kingdom from Germans with 1 armour, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 marine and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
Battle in 27 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 1 battleship, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 27 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 27 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 27 Sea Zone
Americans win, taking 27 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
Battle in 2 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
Japanese defend with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
Americans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 cruiser owned by the Japanese lost in 2 Sea Zone
Americans win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
Casualties for Americans: 1 tactical_bomber
Casualties for Japanese: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
Battle in Aleutian Islands
Americans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 marine
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Aleutian Islands, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 marine in Aleutian Islands, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Aleutian Islands
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Aleutian Islands, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 marine in Aleutian Islands, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Aleutian Islands, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 marine in Aleutian Islands, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Aleutian Islands, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 marine in Aleutian Islands, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 marine owned by the Japanese lost in Aleutian Islands
Americans win, taking Aleutian Islands from Japanese with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 marine
Non Combat Move - Americans
2 fighters moved from 2 Sea Zone to Alaska
1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to Alaska
1 destroyer moved from 28 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from 24 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
1 carrier moved from 11 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
3 carriers, 3 cruisers and 2 transports moved from 28 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Central United States to 104 Sea Zone
1 destroyer, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 113 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco
Place Units - Americans
1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 11 Sea Zone
1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 104 Sea Zone
Americans undo move 2.
1 transport placed in 104 Sea Zone
2 fighters and 1 submarine placed in 11 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 fighter placed in Eastern United States
Americans undo move 4.
Americans undo move 3.
1 artillery and 2 fighters placed in Eastern United States
1 fighter and 1 submarine placed in 11 Sea Zone
Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 50 PUs; end with 50 PUs
Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs
Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 65 PUs
Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs
Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 75 PUs
Purchase Units - Chinese
Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;
Combat Move - Chinese
3 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
1 fighter moved from Burma to Yunnan
Combat - Chinese
Battle in Yunnan
Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
Japanese defend with 2 infantry
Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
1 fighter owned by the Chinese retreated
2 infantry owned by the Chinese retreated to Burma
Japanese win with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - Chinese
1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Burma
1 infantry moved from Northern Sinkiang to Western Sinkiang
Place Units - Chinese
1 infantry placed in Northern Sinkiang
Turn Complete - Chinese
Chinese collect 2 PUs; end with 4 PUs
Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - British
3 submarines moved from 83 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern India to Yunnan
1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
Combat - British
Battle in Yunnan
British attack with 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Japanese defend with 2 infantry
British roll dice for 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
British roll dice for 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
British win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
Casualties for British: 1 infantry
1 artillery moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
1 infantry moved from Syria to 100 Sea Zone
1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 transports moved from 100 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 94 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
1 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
1 fighter moved from Egypt to Gibraltar
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Eastern India
3 infantry moved from Burma to Eastern India
1 artillery moved from Eastern India to Burma
1 aaGun moved from Burma to Eastern India
2 mech_infantrys moved from Burma to Central India
Turn Complete - British
British collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUs
Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 38 PUs
Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 41 PUs
Place Units - UK_Pacific
1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Eastern India
Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
UK_Pacific collect 7 PUs; end with 7 PUs
Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 114 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 113 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : -1.00
Americans regular : 1.83
Japanese regular : -0.17
Germans regular : 0.33
British regular : -0.33
Edit to modify British NCM
@owentoo So when i first saw your attacks a crazy notion popped in my head that i actually wasn’t playing a Tier E player, but maybe someone else who was using your email. That’s why i asked “who am i really playing” I’m natorious for knee jerk reactions. Sorry about that
@max334 np, we are both learning this game together… and if it was a league game, I think I would be a bit more methodical, and a bit less impulsive
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0
Game History
Round: 5
Purchase Units - Italians
Italians buy 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Italians
1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
Italians take Western Ukraine from Russians
1 mech_infantry moved from Romania to Western Ukraine
Combat - Italians
Non Combat Move - Italians
1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya
1 infantry moved from Southern France to France
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
1 artillery moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
1 bomber moved from Eastern Poland to Libya
1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to Libya
1 fighter moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
Place Units - Italians
1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy
Turn Complete - Italians
Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 8
Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,5,6,5,1,3,3,6
Italians collect 5 PUs (8 lost to blockades); end with 5 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0
Game History
Round: 5
Purchase Units - ANZAC
ANZAC buy 1 artillery and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;
Combat Move - ANZAC
1 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria
British take Alexandria from Italians
Combat - ANZAC
Non Combat Move - ANZAC
1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
Place Units - ANZAC
1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in New South Wales
Turn Complete - ANZAC
ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 13 PUs
Combat Move - French
1 destroyer moved from 83 Sea Zone to 73 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria
Non Combat Move - French
Turn Complete - French
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
scramble 28 Jan 21.tsvg
@max334 no scramble, thanks!
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0
Game History
Round: 6
Research Technology - Germans
Purchase Units - Germans
Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 4 infantry and 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;
Combat Move - Germans
1 infantry moved from Archangel to Vologda
1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Vologda
1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Vologda
1 bomber moved from Vyborg to Vologda
1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 114 Sea Zone
1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 114 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from Eastern Poland to Vologda
3 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
Germans take Ukraine from Russians
1 artillery moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
1 bomber moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 126 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 126 Sea Zone to Iceland
1 armour moved from Archangel to Nenetsia
Germans take Nenetsia from Russians
1 armour moved from Nenetsia to Archangel
Combat - Germans
Battle in Iceland
Battle in 114 Sea Zone
Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
British defend with 1 destroyer
Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits
British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 114 Sea Zone
Germans win, taking Iceland from British with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
Battle in Vologda
Germans attack with 2 bombers and 3 infantry
Russians defend with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
Germans roll dice for 2 bombers and 3 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits
Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vologda
Germans roll dice for 2 bombers and 3 infantry in Vologda, round 3 : 4/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits
Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Vologda, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Vologda
Germans win, taking Vologda from Russians with 2 bombers and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11
Casualties for Russians: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
Trigger Germans Destroy Factories Ukraine: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Germans in Ukraine
Non Combat Move - Germans
Trigger Ukraine Has Fallen to Germans Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Ukraine_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed attached to Germans
1 artillery moved from Southern Belarus to Eastern Poland
1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
1 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Novgorod
1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Leningrad to Archangel
1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
1 mech_infantry moved from Romania to Northern Italy
1 artillery moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from Norway to 115 Sea Zone
1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
3 infantry moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
1 aaGun, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 115 Sea Zone to 122 Sea Zone
1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 122 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Scotland
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 122 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Scotland
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 122 Sea Zone to Scotland
1 tactical_bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to Scotland
2 fighters moved from 114 Sea Zone to Scotland
1 bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to France
1 artillery moved from France to Western Germany
1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Western Germany
1 armour moved from Norway to Karelia
1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Poland to 116 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
3 aaGuns, 4 armour, 4 artilleries, 10 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
4 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 5 transports moved from 115 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Western Germany
1 bomber moved from Vologda to Germany
1 bomber moved from Vologda to Leningrad
Place Units - Germans
1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 115 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 2 submarines placed in 116 Sea Zone
2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 infantry placed in Western Germany
1 infantry placed in France
Turn Complete - Germans
Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,6,4,3,2,2,5,5
Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 128 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,1
Germans collect 54 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 55 PUs
Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 58 PUs
Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : -1.50
Germans regular : 3.50
British regular : 0.67
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0
Game History
Round: 6
Purchase Units - Russians
Russians buy 2 artilleries, 7 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Russians
3 artilleries moved from Rostov to Ukraine
9 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine
3 fighters moved from Russia to Leningrad
1 artillery moved from Yaroslavl to Vologda
2 infantry moved from Yaroslavl to Vologda
1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Novgorod
1 artillery moved from Smolensk to Novgorod
1 infantry moved from Gorky to Nenetsia
Russians take Nenetsia from Germans
2 infantry moved from Gorky to Vologda
1 infantry moved from Yaroslavl to Vologda
1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Novgorod
Combat - Russians
Battle in Leningrad
Russians attack with 3 fighters
Germans defend with 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 harbour
Russians roll dice for 3 fighters in Leningrad, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : -0.50
Which would you like to lose in Leningrad: the bomber or the Artillery?
First round, I only got one hit, and you have a bomber and an Art. Which should I kill?