Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians Combat - Russians Trigger Russians Can Move: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Russians Trigger Russians Can Move: Setting movementRestrictionType to disallowed for rulesAttachment attached to Russians Non Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Persia 3 infantry moved from Caucasus to Karelia S.S.R. 4 infantry moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R. 2 armour moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R. 1 aaGun moved from Russia to Caucasus 1 fighter moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R. 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from Karelia Sea Zone to North Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Yakut S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Evenki National Okrug to Yakut S.S.R. 1 armour moved from Soviet Far East to Novosibirsk 1 infantry moved from Evenki National Okrug to Novosibirsk Place Units - Russians 8 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R. Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUs Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Persia: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Karelia S.S.R.: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit ModeGuam Solo L vs crockett36 X G40.2 oob
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Sorry it took so long to get to this round. I couple of edits made at the end. I lost a fighter in your battle with the Bismark and removed the wrong one as a casualty.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 1 armour moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France 1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Southern France 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan 1 armour moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt 1 artillery moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria 1 battleship moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Egypt 1 cruiser moved from 95 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk 1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 93 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Albania to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Albania to Yugoslavia 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Yugoslavia Combat - Italians Battle in 96 Sea Zone Italians attack with 1 submarine British defend with 1 destroyer Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone Italians win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in Yugoslavia Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 2 infantry Neutral_Allies defend with 3 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 3 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia Italians win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 3 infantry Battle in 93 Sea Zone Italians attack with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter French defend with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits French roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the French, 1 destroyer owned by the Italians and 1 cruiser owned by the French lost in 93 Sea Zone Italians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer Casualties for French: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Battle in Egypt Italians attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry British defend with 1 artillery and 1 harbour; ANZAC defend with 2 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Egypt, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Egypt, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Egypt, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the ANZAC and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Egypt Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 bomber in Egypt, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 artillery in Egypt, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the British lost in Egypt Italians win, taking Egypt from British with 1 artillery and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for ANZAC: 2 infantry Casualties for British: 1 artillery Battle in Alexandria Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry British defend with 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Alexandria, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 1.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in Alexandria, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Alexandria Italians win, taking Alexandria from British with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Trans-Jordan Italians attack with 1 armour and 1 infantry British defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 cruiser in Trans-Jordan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Trans-Jordan Italians win, taking Trans-Jordan from British with 1 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in Southern France Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the French and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern France Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Southern France, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery in Southern France, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Southern France, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery in Southern France, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Southern France, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery in Southern France, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Southern France French win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4 Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Casualties for French: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 1 fighter moved from 93 Sea Zone to Tobruk 1 bomber moved from Egypt to Tobruk 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Tobruk 1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy Place Units - Italians 1 submarine placed in 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry placed in Southern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 14 PUs; end with 15 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
French regular : 0.50 Italians regular : 3.33 Neutral_Allies regular : -0.33 British regular : -0.67
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did italy. I pushed every battle i could, going with 50 % odds in several battles with smashing success!
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I paid for it in my game with regularkid. did a 50/50 again a 92 stack. 2 hits against him, he rolled 5 4s, all hits.
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@crockett36 Nice job with the Italians. One question: can subs be used as blockers? I thought in the A&A rules they can be ignored and passed over if they are the only ship in the sea zone. But in TripleA they are allowed to block?
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@GuamSolo no you can ignore them. They do not block
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TripleA Turn Summary: ANZAC round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Queensland to Malaya 1 artillery moved from Queensland to New South Wales 1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 29 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 29 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 29 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from New Zealand to New South Wales Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea Place Units - ANZAC 1 fighter placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
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TripleA Turn Summary: ANZAC round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Queensland to Malaya 1 artillery moved from Queensland to New South Wales 1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 29 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 29 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 29 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from New Zealand to New South Wales Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea Place Units - ANZAC 1 fighter placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Queensland to Malaya 1 artillery moved from Queensland to New South Wales 1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 29 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 29 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 29 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from New Zealand to New South Wales Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea Place Units - ANZAC 1 fighter placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs Combat Move - French French converts factory_major into different units 1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa 1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia 1 artillery moved from Southern France to Northern Italy French take Northern Italy from Italians 1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria 1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone Combat - French Non Combat Move - French Turn Complete - French
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 2
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 2 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 artillery, 6 infantry, 10 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Germans Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral Combat Move - Germans 1 carrier and 1 cruiser moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 1 cruiser moved from 112 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 artillery moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 mech_infantry moved from France to Southern France Germans take Southern France from French 1 artillery moved from France to Northern Italy 1 mech_infantry moved from France to Northern Italy 1 artillery moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 mech_infantry moved from France to Northern Italy 2 armour, 5 artilleries and 23 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians 1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia Germans take Karelia from Russians 1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg Germans take Vyborg from Russians 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Holland Belgium to United Kingdom 1 bomber moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom 3 fighters moved from Western Germany to Tobruk 5 tactical_bombers moved from Holland Belgium to Southern Italy 5 armour moved from France to Germany 1 armour moved from France to Germany 4 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania 1 armour moved from Bulgaria to Eastern Poland Combat - Germans Air Battle in United Kingdom
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Scramble?
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@crockett36 Scramble yes
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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 2 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 fighter and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Vyborg 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Vyborg 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Vyborg 1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Karelia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Karelia 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Karelia 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Karelia 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Vyborg 1 cruiser moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone Combat - Russians Battle in Karelia Russians attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Karelia, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Karelia, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia Russians win, taking Karelia from Germans with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Vyborg Russians attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Vyborg, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg Russians win, taking Vyborg from Germans with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 fighter moved from Karelia to Novgorod 1 tactical_bomber moved from Karelia to Novgorod 1 tactical_bomber moved from Vyborg to Novgorod 1 fighter moved from Vyborg to Novgorod 1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States 1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia 2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bryansk 2 infantry moved from Rostov to Bryansk 1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk 1 artillery moved from Belarus to Novgorod 1 mech_infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk 1 aaGun moved from Belarus to Smolensk 1 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod 1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 7 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk 1 armour moved from Belarus to Novgorod 1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Smolensk 6 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey 2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R. 1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Archangel 1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Smolensk Place Units - Russians 1 artillery placed in Novgorod 2 armour and 1 artillery placed in Russia 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Novgorod 1 artillery placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 41 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 0.00 Russians regular : -2.50
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TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 destroyer, 4 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Americans Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Eastern United States Trigger Americans War Production Central: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Central United States Trigger Americans War Production Western: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Western United States Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Eastern United States Trigger Americans War Production Central: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Central United States Trigger Americans War Production Western: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Western United States Combat Move - Americans Trigger Americans Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Americans 1 armour moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 10 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 23 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Guam to Queensland Non Combat Move - Americans 1 aaGun moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 battleship moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 1 destroyer, 1 tactical_bomber and 3 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone 4 infantry placed in Eastern United States Americans undo move 2. 3 infantry placed in Eastern United States 1 infantry placed in Western United States Turn Complete - Americans Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 89 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,3 Americans collect 47 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 47 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 57 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 62 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
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China? Uk?
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@crockett36 Oh my goodness, not sure how I missed that. I will get to this tomorrow. Midnight here now and the UK turn is important.
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Naaaah. Just wing it