ksmckay(x) vs Axis-Dominion P2V

Yeah who knows at this point.

I don’t like doing an attack like this but I cant come up with anything better. Europe was already ugly and if I dont get to Bry this turn I dont think I ever will, and so I think Europe is done. Pacific is obviously in better shape but I dont think I can blitz for a win so I think I have to go for this. And unfortunately, I also think you had no choice but to scramble.

Can’t roll till later. Do you want round by round casualties or can I assume AA, UK air, Russian air. Italy has to take it with ground, otherwise french can fly there to prevent blitz.

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 8

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 1.0

Game History

Round: 8

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy nothing; Remaining resources: 13 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 armour moved from Southern Belarus to Smolensk
              Italians take Smolensk from Russians
        1 armour moved from Smolensk to Bryansk
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Southern Belarus to Bryansk
        1 bomber, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Eastern Poland to Bryansk

    Combat - Italians
        Russians scrambles 3 units out of Kursk to defend against the attack in Bryansk
        Russians scrambles 3 units out of Russia to defend against the attack in Bryansk
        Battle in Bryansk
            Italians attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 4 fighters; Russians defend with 2 aaGuns and 3 fighters
                AA fire in Bryansk : 1/6 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 bomber owned by the Italians lost in Bryansk
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Bryansk, round 2 : 5/10 hits, 4.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 aaGuns and 7 fighters in Bryansk, round 2 : 6/7 hits, 4.67 expected hits
                2 aaGuns owned by the Russians, 2 fighters owned by the Italians, 1 artillery owned by the Italians, 3 fighters owned by the British, 2 infantry owned by the Italians and 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Bryansk
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers in Bryansk, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 4 fighters in Bryansk, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                2 fighters owned by the Russians, 2 tactical_bombers owned by the Italians, 1 fighter owned by the Italians and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in Bryansk
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Bryansk, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter in Bryansk, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Bryansk, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter in Bryansk, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Bryansk
            Russians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -14
            Casualties for Italians: 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Casualties for British: 4 fighters
            Casualties for Russians: 2 aaGuns and 2 fighters
        Moving scrambled unit from Bryansk back to originating territory: Russia

    Non Combat Move - Italians

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1,1,1,4,6,3,3,2,1,4,4,1,1,5,6,3,4,1,6,5,1,5
        Italians collect 3 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 16 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

AA fire in Bryansk : : 0.00
Italians : -0.00
Russians : 1.33

Savegame

almost :(

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 9

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 1.0

Game History

Round: 9

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 3 armour, 1 artillery, 9 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        21 armour, 7 artilleries, 26 infantry and 21 mech_infantrys moved from Southern Belarus to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Yaroslavl
              Germans take Yaroslavl from Russians
        1 armour moved from Vologda to Komi
              Germans take Gorky from Russians
              Germans take Komi from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
              Germans take Ukraine from Russians
        1 bomber moved from Leningrad to Northern Italy
        3 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Northern Italy
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bessarabia to Bulgaria
        1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
        1 fighter moved from Bessarabia to Bulgaria
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Bessarabia to Yugoslavia
        1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to 114 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        2 carriers moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
        2 infantry moved from Austria to Yugoslavia

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

any scrambles?

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 1.0

Game History

Round: 9

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 3 armour, 1 artillery, 9 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        21 armour, 7 artilleries, 26 infantry and 21 mech_infantrys moved from Southern Belarus to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Yaroslavl
              Germans take Yaroslavl from Russians
        1 armour moved from Vologda to Komi
              Germans take Gorky from Russians
              Germans take Komi from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
              Germans take Ukraine from Russians
        1 bomber moved from Leningrad to Northern Italy
        3 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Northern Italy
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bessarabia to Bulgaria
        1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
        1 fighter moved from Bessarabia to Bulgaria
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Bessarabia to Yugoslavia
        1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to 114 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        2 carriers moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
        2 infantry moved from Austria to Yugoslavia

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Northern Italy
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Italy, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Northern Italy
            Germans win, taking Northern Italy from British with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
        Battle in Yugoslavia
            Germans attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yugoslavia
            Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from British with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in 114 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 114 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Bryansk
            Germans attack with 21 armour, 7 artilleries, 26 infantry and 21 mech_infantrys
            French defend with 1 fighter
                Germans roll dice for 21 armour, 7 artilleries, 26 infantry and 21 mech_infantrys in Bryansk, round 2 : 21/75 hits, 25.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter in Bryansk, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 fighter owned by the French lost in Bryansk
            Germans win, taking Bryansk from Russians with 21 armour, 7 artilleries, 25 infantry and 21 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for French: 1 fighter
        Battle in Bulgaria
            Germans attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Bulgaria, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Bulgaria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Bulgaria
            Germans win, taking Bulgaria from British with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Trigger Ukraine Has Fallen to Germans Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Ukraine_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed attached to Germans
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bulgaria to Eastern Poland
        3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to France
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        5 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Bryansk
        4 aaGuns moved from Southern Belarus to Bryansk
        2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Smolensk
        2 infantry moved from Leningrad to Novgorod
        1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 118 Sea Zone to Leningrad
        1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        1 mech_infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Southern Belarus
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Austria
        3 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland

    Place Units - Germans
        2 armour, 4 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
        1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Western Germany
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in France
        1 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Normandy Bordeaux: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to France: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,4,6,6,4,3,6,6,3,3,4,4,5,2,5,4,2,6,6,4,5,2,1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 95 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,4,3,2,6,4
        Germans collect 54 PUs (5 lost to blockades); end with 54 PUs
        Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 57 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 62 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -1.83
British : 0.33
Russians : 0.33

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 1.0

Game History

Round: 9

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 3 armour, 1 artillery, 9 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        21 armour, 7 artilleries, 26 infantry and 21 mech_infantrys moved from Southern Belarus to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Yaroslavl
              Germans take Yaroslavl from Russians
        1 armour moved from Vologda to Komi
              Germans take Gorky from Russians
              Germans take Komi from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
              Germans take Ukraine from Russians
        1 bomber moved from Leningrad to Northern Italy
        3 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Northern Italy
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bessarabia to Bulgaria
        1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
        1 fighter moved from Bessarabia to Bulgaria
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Bessarabia to Yugoslavia
        1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to 114 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        2 carriers moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
        2 infantry moved from Austria to Yugoslavia

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Northern Italy
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Italy, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Northern Italy
            Germans win, taking Northern Italy from British with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
        Battle in Yugoslavia
            Germans attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yugoslavia
            Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from British with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in 114 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 114 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Bryansk
            Germans attack with 21 armour, 7 artilleries, 26 infantry and 21 mech_infantrys
            French defend with 1 fighter
                Germans roll dice for 21 armour, 7 artilleries, 26 infantry and 21 mech_infantrys in Bryansk, round 2 : 21/75 hits, 25.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter in Bryansk, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 fighter owned by the French lost in Bryansk
            Germans win, taking Bryansk from Russians with 21 armour, 7 artilleries, 25 infantry and 21 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for French: 1 fighter
        Battle in Bulgaria
            Germans attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Bulgaria, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Bulgaria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Bulgaria
            Germans win, taking Bulgaria from British with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Trigger Ukraine Has Fallen to Germans Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Ukraine_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed attached to Germans
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to France
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        5 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Bryansk
        4 aaGuns moved from Southern Belarus to Bryansk
        2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Smolensk
        2 infantry moved from Leningrad to Novgorod
        1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 118 Sea Zone to Leningrad
        1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        1 mech_infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Southern Belarus
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Austria
        3 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
        1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bulgaria to Bessarabia
        3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yugoslavia to Bessarabia

    Place Units - Germans
        2 armour, 4 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
        2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in France
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Western Germany
        1 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux
        Germans undo move 2.
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Western Germany
        Germans undo move 2.
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in France
        2 infantry placed in Western Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,6,4,5,3,6,6,4,3,3,6,3,5,5,1,5,6,4,5,3,1,1,5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 95 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,6,4,4,4,6
        Germans collect 54 PUs (5 lost to blockades); end with 54 PUs
        Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 57 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 62 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -1.83
British : 0.33
Russians : 0.33

Savegame

ha, looks like very bad rolls. I figured I didnt have any better options and even if you won, I might be ok just because your forces would be depleted. But I was done with this game anyway.

I wanted to see what happened with a southern attack in europe. I dont think it works without a g1 ground purchase. If g1 naval build, I think germany has to go north. I had a small chance but not a very good one, but then a forgotten move or two completely ruined the push.

In the pac, I think going after Australia is a risky move. I think its solid if US goes light in pacific but I think if US balances the two theaters, its not the greatest move. In this game, with better dice in NSW I think you were hosed in pacific.

Ive been really busy and this game requires more thought, but I do like it. But now isnt the time for it for me. Ill probably put P2V on hold for a bit.

this being only my second game, I am not sure. Its definitely Global on steroids, but thats ok I think. I used to love Anniversary, and then global came out which was super complex and fun. But its complexity made it a different game with a different level of commitment. This amps it up a bit more.

I like that its different and engages me in new ways. but definitely the thought of a 30 round game with this level of complexity feels a bit much. I think 15-20 is the sweet spot for me. But perhaps this isnt that different, just takes some getting used to.

@axis-dominion said in ksmckay(x) vs Axis-Dominion P2V:

Yah same here, I’ve been busier as well and also exploring a lot of new BoardGames. So I think I’ll stick with bm for a while and anyway, they are still working it out and refining it. I think I’m just not a big fan of the current carrier scrambling rules. I’d much prefer to see them nerfed. I gave some suggestions let’s see if anything comes of that.

Yeah the carrier scrambling is pretty crazy. Not sure if its a bad thing or not but its definitely the reason this game is so much more complex. I saw they reduced carrier d value to 1, but not sure thats enough.

glad to hear it. Always been curious about gloomhaven. My daughter is pretty young so we arent there yet, but looking forward to it one day. But yeah, global is good enough for me right now. Still a challenge and still forces me to think, but I have a decent enough understanding of it that it doesnt consume me which I dont have time for.