It is a big deal, really needs 2 USSR fighters bid. 1inf 1ftr is a bit marginal. Just not enough of a big deal to make the game untenable for the Axis.
If there’s a J1 DOW, you can stack Burma turn 1 more easily. It really deters the J1 DOW, if you think that is good for the allies. Which it is.
Follow up actions probably depend a lot on what the Axis do.
Using 20 of your bid to accomplish this? Some question if it can be used better elsewhere, particularly if you don’t have a high bid to start with. Once you get to 30, you can do this combined with the Scottish fighter.
@simon33 I’m not sure I see the need for a bid at all here. China has enough starting forces to retake it C1 and if Japan only has minimal ground forces in range to take it again J2. That means the UK (If they are aggressive and are moving forward from India (A sure bet when I’m playing my regular opponents) can march in with at least 5 units.
@M36 , yes you are correct About it.
BUT: most commonly Ftrs and TacB’s will be stacked at Kwangsi along with whatever you bring from J via TT’s.
The reason is to threat India and the Money Island along with the Phillipines.
On J2 you are able to move where you please (Sumatra/Java/Celebes/Aus.West coast)
as Japan and/or kill simply the Chinese majority with one blow using the IJAF and some ground Units.
This style is used by a lot of members here on the forum and i also see that the style varies from Playgroup to playgroup. So i am only speaking on the play behaviour of this forum here :-)
M36, you are more then welcome to adapt some more styles or even play us in a friendly or on a more challenging scale in the League. :v: :+1:
Welcome to the Forum.
@aequitas-et-veritas Thank you, I’m glad to be back after many years absence. 😁 If I ever have enough time I will have to try some of the forum games, as I only have the experiences of my group to base my opinions on. We have taken to playing China much like the Soviets, with one big fighting withdrawal/delaying action, and adopted an aggressive UK/ANZAC to keep Japan busy playing whack a mole. While the overall strategy remains the same it’s always a challenge coming up with fresh tactics since we all know each other and our playing styles. So far the Allies are generally able to hold on by the skin of their eyelids until the sleeping giant arrives on the scene to find a very spread out Japan. That is why I always advocate aggression. Any Japanese attack that does not take them closer to Calcutta or Sydney is considered a success.
@M36 said in Is China keeping Yunnan J1 a big deal?:
@simon33 I’m not sure I see the need for a bid at all here. China has enough starting forces to retake it C1 and if Japan only has minimal ground forces in range to take it again J2. That means the UK (If they are aggressive and are moving forward from India (A sure bet when I’m playing my regular opponents) can march in with at least 5 units.
I think you should have a bit more of a think about the possibilities it allows for the allies. It is doubtful that Japan will be able to take Yunnan J2 because China hasn’t lost 4inf in Yunnan, can move in the 6inf from Szechwan and mobilise 3art. The other allies can also help. Not needing to trade inf to get its 6IPC national objective helps its cause a fair bit.
If Yunnan is taken J1 and China attacks with everything and stacks it up, at best you have 12 inf + other allies planes. If there was a J1 DOW, perhaps this is enough to hold the territory for a turn but I don’t really think otherwise because the troops on Hunan and Kwangsi/FIC will come through and take it out.
@simon33 I see your points. In my experience however ANY additional turns Japan spends fighting in China is a benefit to the Allies.
So the real question becomes whether China can keep Yunnan on J2 as well, and how it affects Japan going forward.
Certainly being able to buy artillery seems worthwhile, though less useful when simply trying to stack Yunnan (art over inf means 1 less unit each on C1 and C2) but necessary to counter Japan’s relatively weak ground forces.
It looks like it sort of depends on Japan’s J1. Yyou can keep Yunnan on J2 but if Japan brings an additional transport (or 2) on J1 so they can help attack on J2, China needs some or all of UKPac or Russia’s air force to save the 15-20 inf/art
Of course, if Japan is using transports to feed the mainland, it means less income down South.
So something like this strategy might be hell on Japan if the U.S. is aggressive on the Pacific side. 9ish less ipcs on J3 is one less ship to defend, and tends to ripple through the early choices.
I say yes because it forces Japan to invade India by sea which is great if US is putting a lot of pressure on Japan. It is unfortunate that China can’t stack in India but you can for sure block Japan if you don’t care to hold on to China.
@Caesar-Seriona Oh gosh yes. We put a 12 bid here and it moves the fulcrum from India/Malasia to Yunnan–with the Russian Air Force. Clearly, do not sacrifice the Russians for odds and they should return home once the critical mass of chinese warriors has been reached. Holding Malaysia vs getting steamrolled can win you 2 NOs as the game proceeds.
This is esp violent in BM combined with Bomber streams, if you can pick off Japanese single guards to gain guerillas, thats really powerful.
Yeah Yunnan keeps Burma Road almost always open since China can keep the five bucks coming in, the artillery buy just adds an advantage. It’s really hard to use China offensively against a Japanese player who knows what they are doing but in my games, I find Japan going after India by sea any ways.
