Global War 1940 2nd ed.

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Med. Bomber
A 4d12s @2 ground only every round
A 2d12s @2 naval only every round
D 1d12  @2 or escape roll @2
M6
C10
Dog Fight @1  Every 1st round of combat only if enemy planes.
SBR 1d8 +1 damage
AA Gun D@2 against ea Med. Bomb

H. Bomber
A 3d12s @3 ground only every round
A 2d12s @3naval only every round
D 1d12   @3 or escape roll @3
M7
C12
Dog Fight @2  Every 1st round of combat only if enemy planes.
SBR 1d10 +1 damage
AA Gun D@1 against ea H Bomb

Did you try them?

What do you prefer: same combat value, different number of dice according to land, Sea, Defense or different combat value off land or Sea/ Def, same number of dice?

Ya I got 5 turns in game with them so far. With lower @ number makes them some what weaker on all. The over kill risk is lower. The naval attacks are a bit harder. Of probably 8 med bomber attacks only probably 4 kills. Couple bombers naval with no hits.

Still, the above odds are better for Heavy on Naval than below:

Med. Bomber
A 4d12s @2 ground only every round
A 4d12s @1 naval only every round
D 2d12s @1
M6
C10
Dog Fight @1
SBR 1d8 +1 damage
AA gun D@2

H. Bomber
A 3d12s @3 ground only every round
A 3d12s @1 naval only every round
D 2d12s @1
M7
C12
Dog Fight @2
SBR 1d10 +1 damage
AA Gun D@1

Ya I crunched numbers too.

Old way was the question is how much of a reward u want to make the bomber kill.
Old way 2 Stg b rolled 2 rounds of combat and got 8 hits out of 16 rolls. The thing was it helped them take Calcutta but then in other battles like Europe it gave the allies the lil chance for same thing when they attacked Rome and naval and didn’t get the reward rolls.
I’ll keep it where its at for now.

With the new way you get easy value to remember:
Medium: @2, all types of rolls
Heavy: @3 all types of rolls

It is too early to change something.
Also, the Calcutta raid was an oddity, India got diced.

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With the new way you get easy value to remember:
Medium: @2, all types of rolls
Heavy: @3 all types of rolls

It is too early to change something.
Also, the Calcutta raid was an oddity, India got diced.

Ya I look at this way the bombers where finally accurate ! Lol

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Med. Bomber
A 4d12s @2 ground only every round
A 2d12s @2 naval only every round
D 1d12  @2 or escape roll @2
M6
C10
Dog Fight @1  Every 1st round of combat only if enemy planes.
SBR 1d8 +1 damage
AA Gun D@2 against ea Med. Bomb

H. Bomber
A 3d12s @3 ground only every round
A 2d12s @3naval only every round
D 1d12   @3 or escape roll @3
M7
C12
Dog Fight @2  Every 1st round of combat only if enemy planes.
SBR 1d10 +1 damage
AA Gun D@1 against ea H Bomb

Tac Bomber  : Cannot land on Carriers.
A7 Can pick target with a return shot. Ground only.
A7 Roll of 3 or less can pick target with return shot. Naval only.
A3 against surfaced subs only. No return shot.
D5 Can pick target with a return shot. Ground only .
D5 Roll of 3 or less can pick target. Naval only.
M5
C11
Dog Fight @1  Every 1st round of combat only if enemy planes.
SBR 1d8 damage (Air - Naval ports, Train Stations and Oil Derricks)
SBR Kills AA gun on a roll of 3 or less
AA Gun D@2 against ea Tac Bomb

Naval Dive Bomber  : Can land on Carriers and ground.
A7 Roll 3 or less can pick target with a return shot. Ground and Naval.
A3 against surfaced subs only. No return shot
D5 Roll of 3 or less pick target with a return shot. Ground and Naval.
M4
C10
Dog Fight @1  Every 1st round of combat only if enemy planes.
SBR 1d8 damage ( Air - Naval ports, Oil Derricks)
SBR Kills AA gun on a roll of 3 or less
AA Gun D@2 against ea Dive Bomb

Naval Fighter  : Can land anywhere.
A5
D7
M4
C10
Dog Fight @3  Every 1st round of combat only if enemy planes.
AA Gun D@2 against ea N. Fig
Cannot hit surfaced subs.

Fighter
A6
D7
M5
C11
Dog Fight@3  Every 1st round of combat only if enemy planes.
AA Gun D@2 against ea Fig
Cannot hit surfaced subs.

AA Gun
A0
D@2 at each plane
D@1 at ea H Bomb only
M1
C5

Air Transport
A0
D0
M5
C10  Can transport 2 Elites or 2 Paratroopers or 1 Elite 1 Paratrooper in combat and any combination of 2 inf or 1 inf 1 art in non combat. If you get Paratrooper Tech can transport 3 units any combo. Only 2 inf or 1 inf 1 art non combat still.

Ger. Grenadiar build 2 starting T2
A4
D4
M2
C4
Can Blitz

SS Panzer build 2 starting T2
A7
D6
M2
C6

Tiger Tank build 1 starting T3
A7
D7
M2
C9 2 hits

IS-1 Russia build 2 starting T3
A7
D7
M2
C6

Elite Inf
A4
D2
M1
C3    Build 2 only per turn. NA for US-Italy can build 3 a turn

Paratroopers
A2-3  A3 FSR only on AMP ASSLT
D4
M1
C3     Paratrooper Tech- Can air transport 3 Paratroopers

Art
A4
D4
M1-2 towed by Mech and SPA
C4

SPA
A4-5
D4-5  Tank  boost +1 on A/D 1:1
M2
C5  Can tow Art and blitz

German Wolf Packs 2 or more subs attacking.
A6  FS
A7  FS if get NA Wolf Pack or Sub Tech get A7 FS  D3
D2
M2
C7
Subs cannot hit subs
Subs can submerge after DF or Tac FS
Subs doing FS have to stay surfaced.
Cannot submerge until next round of combat.
Submerged subs after 1 round of combat can
1. Resurface
2. Stay Submerged
3. Escape @3. Place on map same sz.
If escape roll fails Sub has to resurface.
Surfaced subs can be taken as casualties.

Subs
A5  FS  Sub Tech - A6  FS  D3
D2
M2
C7
Subs cannot hit subs.
Subs can submerge after DF or Tac FS
Subs doing FS have to stay surfaced.
Submerged subs after 1 round of combat can
1. Resurface
2. Stay Submerged
3. Escape @3.  Place on map same sz.
If escape roll fails Sub has to resurface.
Surfaced subs can be taken as casualties.

Battleships
A9
D9
M2
C15   2 hits

Cruisers
A7
D7
M3
C9

Destroyers
A3
D3
M2
C6
Can pick 1 of 2 choices per round of combat.
1. Depth Charge A or D submerged subs @3 only.
2. Attack or Defend on the surface only.

Carrier
A2
D4
M2
C14   2 hits

Transport
A0
D1  at plane only if not taken as casualty
M2
C7
ES2 only if Transport is alone and being attacked by
only subs or planes and is not killed per round.

Japan doesnt receive H. Bombers.

This has been updated.  June 6 D-Day 2018

In your game MedBomber 4 @2/12 carpet bombing is a real one each combat round.
Same odds as OOB 4/6, but it is 4 rolls @1. Acting like 4 infantry attacking.

I will try to crunch on this special roll.
4 Infs @1 means 4/6* up to 4 hits for 16 strength points (pipshit) while one regular bomber is
1 roll @4 means 4/6 up to 1 hit for 4 strength.
2 roll @4 means 8/6* up to 2 hits for 16 strength.

So, Med bombers are like twice stronger than OOB G40 StB, assuming same cost.
Because you have more rolls for same odds, you can reduce faster the enemy defending stack for the same attacker sustaining capacity.

To make them even with OOB, in D12, it needs 2 rolls @2/12 for 42 hits = **8 points of strength in D12s pipshit**
Or, mostly, 3 rolls @1/12 for or 3@1/123 hits = **9 points of strength in D12s pipshit**

But you only have 1 hit of sustaining power per bomber…

I think I’m slowly understanding this particular type of dice mechanic.

Comparing both Medium:
A 4d12s @2 ground only every round
A 2d12s @2 naval only every round
and Heavy bomber:
A 3d12s @3 ground only every round
A 2d12s @3 naval only every round

Keepings D12s pipshits
Medium Bomber
4 @2 means 8 pips up to 4 hits for 32 strength points or pips*hit
2 @2 means 4 pips* up to 2 hits for 8 pips*hits
1 @2 means 2 pips* up to 1 hit for 2 pips*hits

Heavy bomber:
3 @3 means 9 pips* up to 3 hits for 27 pips*hits
2 @3 means 6 pips* up to 2 hits for 12 pips*hits
1 @3 means 3 pips* up to 1 hit for 3 pips*hits

This means Medium bomber are more efficient at land units even if less accurate (smaller odds 8/12) than Heavy (9/12) and can be better to lower down enemy stack.

If I compare with YG 3@ 5/8 or 3@3/8.
5/8 means in D12s pips 7.5/12
3/8 means 4.5/12

StBs on land:
3 @7.5 means 22.5 pips* up to 3 hits for 67.5 pips*hits for 1 round only

StBs at sea:
3 @4.5 means 13.5 pips* up to 3 hits for 40.5 pips*hits for 1 round only

But you would be amazed how much u dont get hits. Remember we lowered I believe from 4 d12 @3 I think. Id have to go back and look.

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In your game MedBomber 4 @2/12 carpet bombing is a real one each combat round.
Same odds as OOB 4/6, but it is 4 rolls @1. Acting like 4 infantry attacking.

I will try to crunch on this special roll.
4 Infs @1 means 4/6* up to 4 hits for 16 strength points (pipshit) while one regular bomber is
1 roll @4 means 4/6 up to 1 hit for 4 strength.
2 roll @4 means 8/6* up to 2 hits for 16 strength.

So, Med bombers are like twice stronger than OOB G40 StB, assuming same cost.
Because you have more rolls for same odds, you can reduce faster the enemy defending stack for the same attacker sustaining capacity.

To make them even with OOB, in D12, it needs 2 rolls @2/12 for 42 hits = **8 points of strength in D12s pipshit**
Or, mostly, 3 rolls @1/12 for or 3@1/123 hits = **9 points of strength in D12s pipshit**

But you only have 1 hit of sustaining power per bomber…

I think I’m slowly understanding this particular type of dice mechanic.

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Comparing both Medium:
A 4d12s @2 ground only every round
A 2d12s @2 naval only every round
and Heavy bomber:
A 3d12s @3 ground only every round
A 2d12s @3 naval only every round

Keepings D12s pipshits
Medium Bomber
4 @2 means 8 pips up to 4 hits for 32 strength points or pips*hit
2 @2 means 4 pips* up to 2 hits for 8 pips*hits
1 @2 means 2 pips* up to 1 hit for 2 pips*hits

Heavy bomber:
3 @3 means 9 pips* up to 3 hits for 27 pips*hits
2 @3 means 6 pips* up to 2 hits for 12 pips*hits
1 @3 means 3 pips* up to 1 hit for 3 pips*hits

This means Medium bomber are more efficient at land units even if less accurate (smaller odds 8/12) than Heavy (9/12) and can be better to lower down enemy stack.

If I compare with YG 3@ 5/8 or 3@3/8.
5/8 means in D12s pips 7.5/12
3/8 means 4.5/12

StBs on land:
3 @7.5 means 22.5 pips* up to 3 hits for 67.5 pips*hits for 1 round only

StBs at sea:
3 @4.5 means 13.5 pips* up to 3 hits for 40.5 pips*hits for 1 round only

YG numbers should be higher due to only one round of combat

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But you would be amazed how much u dont get hits. Remember we lowered I believe from 4 d12 @3 I think. Id have to go back and look.

That is the part I’m not sure.
Can I consider 100% of dice rolled, or just according to each probable odds of a hit (so 2@4 and 4@2 would be same strength as 1@8)?

IDK.

I need to find those old numbers I had and you posted the new values for bombers. I know Naval hit % is lower which I like but if I remember we gave same odds but added a die and lowered the @ number 1 and like u said try the 333 and the 222

It was 3d12 @4 for one round of combat only and any rolls of 1 kill with a no return shot when I first tried carpet bombing.

Subs can submerge after DF or Tac FS
Subs doing FS have to stay surfaced.
Cannot submerge until next round of combat.
Submerged subs after 1 round of combat can
1. Resurface
2. Stay Submerged
3. Escape @3. Place on map same sz.
If escape roll fails Sub has to resurface.
Surfaced subs can be taken as casualties.

GW40 SS sequence:

1. DF or Tac FS
2. Submerge or Sub’s First strike
3. Depth charge (DD @3 targeting submerged Subs, instead of general combat)
4. General combat
5. Escape or else:
  a) Resurface or b) Stay Submerged
  c) Escape attempt for Sub @3. Place on map same SZ if succeed.
      If escape roll fails, Sub has to resurface.
d) Escape attempt for Transport @2, if alone and being attacked by only subs or planes and is not killed per round.

All surfaced subs can be taken as casualties
All Destroyers can be taken as casualties

Am I right?

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Subs can submerge after DF or Tac FS
Subs doing FS have to stay surfaced.
Cannot submerge until next round of combat.
Submerged subs after 1 round of combat can
1. Resurface
2. Stay Submerged
3. Escape @3. Place on map same sz.
If escape roll fails Sub has to resurface.
Surfaced subs can be taken as casualties.

GW40 SS sequence:

1. DF or Tac FS
2. Submerge or Sub’s First strike
3. Depth charge (DD @3 targeting submerged Subs, instead of general combat)
4. General combat
5. Escape or else:
  a) Resurface or b) Stay Submerged
  c) Escape attempt for Sub @3. Place on map same SZ if succeed.
      If escape roll fails, Sub has to resurface.
d) Escape attempt for Transport @2, if alone and being attacked by only subs or planes and is not killed per round.

All surfaced subs can be taken as casualties
All Destroyers can be taken as casualties

Am I right?

Yes but d) Escape attempt for Transport @2, if alone and being attacked by surface ships and or subs or planes and is not killed
Per round.

Yes but d) Escape attempt for Transport @2, if alone and being attacked by surface ships and or subs or planes and is not killed
Per round.

This have no part in Naval sequence?

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Yes but d) Escape attempt for Transport @2, if alone and being attacked by surface ships and or subs or planes and is not killed
Per round.

This have no part in Naval sequence?

Yes it does

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Subs can submerge after DF or Tac FS
Subs doing FS have to stay surfaced.
Cannot submerge until next round of combat.
Submerged subs after 1 round of combat can
1. Resurface
2. Stay Submerged
3. Escape @3. Place on map same sz.
If escape roll fails Sub has to resurface.
Surfaced subs can be taken as casualties.

GW40 SS sequence:

1. DF or Tac FS
2. Submerge or Sub’s First strike
3. Depth charge (DD @3 targeting submerged Subs, instead of general combat)
4. General combat
5. Escape or else:
  a) Resurface or b) Stay Submerged
  c) Escape attempt for Sub @3. Place on map same SZ if succeed.
      If escape roll fails, Sub has to resurface.
d) Escape attempt for Transport @2, if alone and being attacked by only subs or planes and is not killed per round.

All surfaced subs can be taken as casualties
All Destroyers can be taken as casualties

Am I right?

Yes but d) Escape attempt for Transport @2, if alone and being attacked by surface ships and or subs or planes and is not killed
Per round.

So what do you intent to mean with your last comment?

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@Baron:

Subs can submerge after DF or Tac FS
Subs doing FS have to stay surfaced.
Cannot submerge until next round of combat.
Submerged subs after 1 round of combat can
1. Resurface
2. Stay Submerged
3. Escape @3. Place on map same sz.
If escape roll fails Sub has to resurface.
Surfaced subs can be taken as casualties.

GW40 SS sequence:

1. DF or Tac FS
2. Submerge or Sub’s First strike
3. Depth charge (DD @3 targeting submerged Subs, instead of general combat)
4. General combat
5. Escape or else:
  a) Resurface or b) Stay Submerged
  c) Escape attempt for Sub @3. Place on map same SZ if succeed.
      If escape roll fails, Sub has to resurface.
d) Escape attempt for Transport @2, if alone and being attacked by only subs or planes and is not killed per round.

All surfaced subs can be taken as casualties
All Destroyers can be taken as casualties

Am I right?

Yes but d) Escape attempt for Transport @2, if alone and being attacked by surface ships and or subs or planes and is not killed
Per round.

So what do you intent to mean with your last comment?

I meant lone transports can escape if being attacked by Any naval ship or planes.

Sorry.
I did not realized you included surface warships too.

Its fine. Just no autokill for all attacking pieces.

You dont like it ?

2 DD
2 CR
2 BB attacking

5 Transports.

2 DD = 1 hit
2 CR = 1 hit
2 BB = 1 hit
3 hits 3 Transports killed
2 Transports escape roll 1,2
2 Transports escape

No ?

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Its fine. Just no autokill for all attacking pieces.

You dont like it ?

2 DD
2 CR
2 BB attacking

5 Transports.

2 DD = 1 hit
2 CR = 1 hit
2 BB = 1 hit
3 hits 3 Transports killed
2 Transports escape roll 1,2
2 Transports escape

No ?

I’m all ok with this.

I just copy-paste from TP : “d) Escape attempt for Transport @2, if alone and being attacked by only subs or planes and is not killed per round.”
I did not realize you slightly change to include surface vessels in comment below.
“d) Escape attempt for Transport @2, if alone and being attacked by surface ships and or subs or planes and is not killed per round.”

Got some more turns in game. Germany ready to take Stalingrad and Italy taking back Cairo in 2 turns maybe giving the Axis 29 points soon. There at 26 right know. UK landed in Norway. Even though UK sacrificed a lot there it made Germany retreat its major pieces back to Norway with there planes giving Russia a extra turn buy. They are holding there own. Will see if Germany taking Stalingrad will cost them on Russias counter if they have enough. With the Air Base ( Fig- Tac M6 ) in Moscow it makes Italy and Germany to bring Navy support with there transports other wise the figs can hit in Turkey sz or Leningrad sz.
As you can see as in war the convoy axis raiding has slowed do to time to get Russia.

Japan has been being hit hard for the first time in the Pacific. US trying to get close enough to do a landing. Japan figs on Toyko with the M of 6 for figs have countered any US landing in Soviet far East. Fec will not lose Calcutta and some movement now finally in islands. With that 2nd IC in India has helped Fec hold Calcutta and now being able to buy some navy and hopefully get some pressure on Italy as soon as possible.